J'den vs Bo - Who Ya Got?

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Final X: Rutgers is closing out with a mega-bout between J'den Cox and Bo Nickal. Spey and Nickal weigh in with their thoughts. 

Nomad's Take

J'den Cox is going to beat Bo Nickal at Final X.

I'm planting my flag in the ground. I'm digging in and dying on this hill. Bo Nickal will not beat J'den Cox.

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It's not going to go over well. Nickal is one of the most popular athletes in the sport, with 100,000 followers on instagram, a full 66,000 more than Cox. He just won three individual and four team titles for the biggest brand in the sport right now, Penn State. The Texas native was so electrifying that a comment from Ben Askren about being the best pinner of the 21st century nearly broke twitter and facebook.

And look, this goes beyond social media. Nickal won his first national title by knocking off Gabe Dean, who at the time was in position to win the Hodge trophy. Plus he does have a flair for the dramatic, just ask Myles Martin and Kollin Moore. Oh, and I was the one pushing for "Nickal, next topic" when it came to this year's Hodge race.

It's a dangerous proposition of course, point blank stating with no wiggle room that J'den is going to beat Nickal on June 8 at Final X: Rutgers. This has backfired on Flo employees before, remember Bo's father Jason saying, "Pick that, Willie!" after the 2013 Akron finals?


But this isn't about Bo Nickal. This is about J'den Cox, who very well may be the best wrestler in the United States right now. He's one of just nine wrestlers in American history to win a world or Olympic medal in their first three tries, an elite group that includes John Smith, Dave Schultz, Kenny Monday, and Jordan Burroughs.

Cox was one of three world champs for Team USA last year, with the other two being Kyle Dake and David Taylor. Who did Cox beat for his Olympic spot? Kyle Dake. Who did J'den beat for his 2017 world team spot? David Taylor.

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Now let's talk about world champs getting knocked off domestically. When's the last time it happened in this country? That would be 2007, when Jared Frayer beat Bill Zadick in the semis of the challenge tournament and Doug Schwab ultimately won the spot. That was before world medalists got the advantage of a bye in the Trials process, so if you only look since that has been implemented, no defending world champ has been successfully defeated the next year and kept off the team.

To expand on that, returning world medalists are 13-0 when they have a bye. So you have a returning world champ, who has historically significant accolades, and oh yeah might be a bad style matchup. We have to go all the way back to 2016 to the last time Nickal really got his butt kicked. Zahid Valencia repeatedly took Bo down in match one of the Junior Trials with a lefty swing single, which also happen's to be J'den's best takedown.

If you want an example of a guy with Bo's body type that J'den took down twice with that, look no further than his first match at worlds last year against Dato Marsagishvili of Georgia. Although the lanky Olympic medalist walked into that match 2-0 against J'den all-time the three-time NCAA champ figured him out.


As for Nickal's style, the only to guys to take J'den down last year were Alireza Karimi and Sharif Sharifov, the latter of whom has given Cox issues multiple times in his career. But the way Karimi got a takedown was a high crotch with his ear on Cox's right hip, the opposite side Nickal was shooting his hi-c too at the Open. And when he did shoot right hip, Mike Macchiavello was able to sprawl hard, though he ultimately gave up a four.

On recent FRLs, we've mentioned that Bo's baseline stuff, particularly his leg attacks, get overlooked because of how often he goes upperbody or some of the high profile pins he's gotten. We've also mentioned why J'den feels overlooked or underappreciated to this point in his career.

Put simply, many people feel Nickal is this unusual wrestler, but Cox is even closer to unique in the way he competes. The Nittany Lion is one of the greatest college wrestler's we've ever seen, but J'den is one of the best American wrestlers of all-time. J'den's done things on a mat I though I'd never see before, and maybe won't see again.

Back before the 2017 Southern Scuffle, I wrote that Brett Pfarr would beat J'den at that tournament. I knew that was a long shot, but I tried to make a compelling case using common opponents and felt if it was going to happen, it would be at the Scuffle and not at NCAAs. But then I got to watch him live, and realized I'd made a big mistake (even though their final was awesome and pretty close).

I often use the term "aliens" to describe a handful of stars in this sport. Those are guys who have cultivated their physical gifts in ways that make you go, "only he could do that." J'den Cox is one of those guys. But he's also much more than that. He can sing, he's an ambassador for Team USA and Beat the Streets, and now he has taken to coaching, playing the role of mentor for the young athletes at the OTC in the EAP.

Bo Nickal is probably going to be a UFC champion one day, and if the tea leaves are correct, this will be the only time we'll ever see these two wrestle. I hope the Penn State fans are out in full effect cheering on one of their favorites, and I know the entire Nickal family will be there, few have more supportive parents than Bo does. The point to all that though is that he's going to need it, because there's no way he dethrones the champ next weekend.

Tune in June 8th at 6:00 pm eastern to find out if I'm right.


Spey's Take

Contrary to the so-called expert opinions of various online media hacks, Bo Nickal can absolutely beat J'den Cox at Final X. 

I do not say this to curry favor with the Nittany Lion wrestling fans, of which there are legion. I don't say this to make a trendy, contrarian pick, or because I have a particular affinity for Nickal and his last name which is good for making Nickleback puns

I say it because it is true. 

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Make no mistake, J'den Cox is going to be the favorite when that first whistle of the series sounds off inside the Rutgers Athletic Center. And rightfully so. Hopefully, you don't need to be reminded of the fact that J'den Cox is the reigning world champion, but if that is the unfortunate case, please allow me to direct your attention to the video below, which will show the 92 kg men's freestyle gold medal match at the 2019 UWW World Championships in Budapest, which Cox won.


Cox is a phenomenon, with extraordinary wrestling talent, honed by countless hours of dedicated training and practice. Just about everything Nomad says about Cox and his exception wrestling skills is 100% true. Except for the one part where he says Bo Nickal has a 0% chance of beating him. 

It is foolish, in the opinion of your humble correspondent, to count out Bo Nickal before he wrestles any match. Indeed, I know from experience. I made that very same foolish mistake in the finals of the 2017 NCAA Championships. I assumed that there was no way Bo Nickal could beat Cornell's Gabe Dean. Let's all bear witness how spectacularly wrong I was about that by watching a highlight of that match. 


Now, in my defense, Bo has not yet become the current version of Bo. It was his sophomore year, so and he had just lost in the Big Ten semifinals to Myles Martin. On the other hand, Gabe Dean was undefeated and wrestling for his third consecutive NCAA title as well as a Hodge Trophy. Nickal dashed those threepeat and Hodge hopes. Nickal then proceeded to snap off two consecutive undefeated seasons to amass one of the best college careers of all time. Bo also snagged himself a coveted Hodge Trophy just a few months ago. 

I was also guilty of committing the common and lamentable error of judging a book by its cover, or as the metaphor pertains in this case, judging a wrestler's talent by physique alone. Not that Gabe Dean is not an exceptional wrestler in his own right (I mean duh, his NCAA finishes are 3, 1, 1, 2), only that visually, Bo vs Gabe appears to be a mismatch. 

Following that match, I swore off counting Bo Nickal out of any wrestling match. A decision which I am happy to report has yet to betray me. Nickal did lose twice in the next tournament the entered, which was the 2017 U.S. Open where he finished fourth, losing to Rich Perry and Nick Heflin in the process. But it's not like he had no chance of winning either of those bouts.

That Open was the last time we've seen Bo Nickal taste defeat, in free or folkstyle. And while I will admit that Nickal's freestyle credentials are rather skimpy compared to Cox's prodigious resume, I will retort with our sport's dustiest adage, 'wrestling is wrestling', coupled an equally trite cribbed slogan, 'Bo knows wrestling.'

To further my last point, I yield the floor to the consummate Mike Mal.


Watch enough Bo Nickal matches, and you will see plenty of additional examples of this jaw-dropping martial sorcery. 

Besides Bo's penchant for winning and prowess for tactical ingenuity, there are a couple other things working in his favor. For one, although a fellow American knocking off a reigning gold medalist is as rare as Nomad mentioned in his initial article, there are also plenty of instances of American wrestlers wrapping up a college career and immediately become a dominant force in freestyle.

Jordan Burroughs is the prototype for this development curve, but the same general pattern was followed by many other recent world team members, including Nick Gwiazdowksi and James Green. It could be argued that it is so rare to see American gold medalists taking domestic losses because American gold medalists themselves are so rare. 

Additionally, for as dominant as J'den Cox has been domestically, he has not been invincible. He dropped a match to Kyle Dake in the 2016 Olympic Team Trials and one to David Taylor 2017 World Team Trials. Cox has also produced some head-scratching loses internationally, most notably to the otherwise unimposing Boris Makojev in the 2017 World Championships. 

I will conclude my rebuttal with one final hedge; a total cheat perhaps in the eyes of some. I am not, as Nomad is, planting my flag with either wrestler. And, as I previously mentioned, I consider Cox the favorite. I don't take the position that Nickal will win, I merely take umbrage with the notion that Nickal cannot win. 

So I've set things up so that I cannot lose. If Cox wins, it will not be unexpected, and I will be happy to see an American world champion back in the lineup. Likewise, I will not be shocked if Nickal pulls of the upset and makes his first world team. For myself and all other nonpartisans, this best-of-three series is a true win-win.

In any event, I look forward to tuning in June 8th at 6:00 pm eastern to find out if Nomad is right. Even though I've already proven him to be at least partially wrong.

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