Wow, thank you so much for posting this video. Hands down the most exciting match I ever witnessed. Carver-Hawkeye was absolutely deafening at the end of the match.
I think the ref's stalling call and kinda wimpy takedown played a part in kolat's breakdown. great match i was pullin for Cary the whole time but you know the third period is always Iowa's period.
Mike Cruickshank said: “Holy Smokes! Don Carruth. It has to have been over a decade? Last thing I heard you were a Police Officer in Middlesex County. Sorry if that is wrong, I can't even remember the grapevine I got that info out of.”
I made a mistake on my earlier post. I just checked wrestling stats website and ironside also lost to Kimble from Ohio in 1995 so his career record at NCAA's had 4 losses (St. John x 2, Kimble, Zinkin)
Donald Carruth said: “great match......kolat had eleven pins in 11 matchs and started off strong..... but ironside had many more matches (10 more) also which could translate to the bottomless tank plus the ever so present iowa style 3rd periods which made him finish strong ....whats up Cruickshank ...long time no see!! hahaha”
Holy Smokes! Don Carruth. It has to have been over a decade? Last thing I heard you were a Police Officer in Middlesex County. Sorry if that is wrong, I can't even remember the grapevine I got that info out of.
great match......kolat had eleven pins in 11 matchs and started off strong..... but ironside had many more matches (10 more) also which could translate to the bottomless tank plus the ever so present iowa style 3rd periods which made him finish strong ....whats up Cruickshank ...long time no see!! hahaha
Doesn't matter said: “They both won 2 NCAA's, Ironside being more impressive in his 2 titles and 1-0 against Kolat in College...the Schultz thing is unfortunate but still a complete joke as an explanation for this meltdown.
Kolat wasn't ready for somebody to last a complete match w/ him at Ironside's pace at this point in the year...obviously, it must have motivated him to get in shape and win a title that year...”
Doesn't Matter...Man, I think you need to take a "release" of some kind. You are way too angry and uptight for an internet wrestling thread.
However, you raise an interesting arguement about Kolat and Ironsides. I would argue that Kolat's college career and his NCAA titles were more impressive even though their win/loss records at NCAA's were very similar.
This is not to disparage Ironsides at all. He had an incredible career, well out of the universe of anything I ever accomplished. But as fans let's look at the data:
Ironsides NCAA: Redshirt, 6, 3, 1, 1
Kolat NCAA:2, 3, Redshirt, 1, 1
Kolat took 2nd in the country to a an eventual 3 time national champ as a true freshman. Ironsides managed a 6th as a redshirt freshman. That's a big difference. Kolat beat the defending national champ and two time finalist Troy Steiner in the semi's that year. I don't believe Ironsides ever defeated anybody at that level at nationals. His losses were to Steve St. John (twice) and to the kid from fresno, zinckin I believe.
Kolat's career NCAA record: 19-2 (11 superior victories). Kolat not only had an additional superior victory his only losses came to a two time finalist (Mohammedi who lost to Jaworsky both times) and a 3 time champ (Jaworsky).
Ironsides: 19-3 (10 of his wins were "superior victories i.e. fall, major, tech)
While they are both incredible careers and close in some respects I think the stats clearly prove that Kolat's career at NCAA's was much more impressive.
Mike Cruickshank said: “Hi Twilly,
I think you have to remember a couple of things here before thinking Kolat broke mentally. From a physiological point of view, once your energy system breaks down that's it. It doesn't matter how much you want it, you are done. Thats it.
Kolat hadn't even been remotely pushed by that point that year. For a guy who was famous for his own motor, this could go a long way toward explaining what happened here. I onced witnessed Kolat maxing out an old school stairmaster for an hour straight at the new jersey freestyle state championships. His conditioning was stunning.
This is not to make excuses for Kolat since Ironsides wrestled a really tough match.
Also Kolat was very close to Dave Schultz from what I understand and if I remember correctly this match went down not too long after Schultz's murder. So from a psych point of view maybe there is something there.
People also have to remember that Kolat, not ironsides, won nationals that year. Kolat won a somewhat close but very controlled victory over St. John from Arizona St. who was 2-0 against Ironsides that year.”
They both won 2 NCAA's, Ironside being more impressive in his 2 titles and 1-0 against Kolat in College...the Schultz thing is unfortunate but still a complete joke as an explanation for this meltdown.
Kolat wasn't ready for somebody to last a complete match w/ him at Ironside's pace at this point in the year...obviously, it must have motivated him to get in shape and win a title that year...
I have this match, along with the Guerrero vs. Schwab, Schwab vs. Hinson -- make 'em quit matches. Hit me up @ , and I'll see what I can do fellas (I'm in the process of converting my pretty impressive collection into DVD's, so give me some time).
twilly said: “Mike, I agree with you. I maybe didn't explain it very eloquently. I didn't mean to suggest that Kolat was weak minded, I was just making a point, that every elite level athlete quits. They all push themselves to a point where the body is done. We just don't see it in matches very often, because they do it during training. I totally agree that Kolat, simply didn't have the training at that point in the season to hold up in that match. Beings that he almost won anyway, show how great a wrestler he is.”
Hi Twilly,
No worries. I didn't want to make it seem like I was challenging you. I was just offering my perspective on things.
Kolat really is amazing. Sometimes people forget that he was a couple of really crappy, unfair calls away from being a multiple time world and olympic champ. And Ironsides was really devestating with that front headlock. He was able to turn a defensive move into a highly functional short offense.
It really is a blessing to watch guys like this go at it on the mat. It really reminds me of the old school matches where guys just went nuts trying to score points on one another. Some people claimed that the old school guys looked sloppy but they were not. They were just working under a different set of rules which really punished stalling. Guys like Kolat and Ironsides wrestled that way with nobody pushing them.
Really amazing.
Mike Cruickshank said: “Hi Twilly,
I think you have to remember a couple of things here before thinking Kolat broke mentally. From a physiological point of view, once your energy system breaks down that's it. It doesn't matter how much you want it, you are done. Thats it.
Kolat hadn't even been remotely pushed by that point that year. For a guy who was famous for his own motor, this could go a long way toward explaining what happened here. I onced witnessed Kolat maxing out an old school stairmaster for an hour straight at the new jersey freestyle state championships. His conditioning was stunning.
This is not to make excuses for Kolat since Ironsides wrestled a really tough match.
Also Kolat was very close to Dave Schultz from what I understand and if I remember correctly this match went down not too long after Schultz's murder. So from a psych point of view maybe there is something there.
People also have to remember that Kolat, not ironsides, won nationals that year. Kolat won a somewhat close but very controlled victory over St. John from Arizona St. who was 2-0 against Ironsides that year.”
Mike, I agree with you. I maybe didn't explain it very eloquently. I didn't mean to suggest that Kolat was weak minded, I was just making a point, that every elite level athlete quits. They all push themselves to a point where the body is done. We just don't see it in matches very often, because they do it during training. I totally agree that Kolat, simply didn't have the training at that point in the season to hold up in that match. Beings that he almost won anyway, show how great a wrestler he is.
old school wrestling. great to see americans try to score, and score, and score. no stalling from these two. i think the referees are part of the problem as of late because they allow good wrestlers to stall out matches and the good wrestlers never achieve their true greatness.
twilly said: “From a sport psychology point of view, it is very interesting to see Kolat break in the last 20 seconds. There were still 20 some seconds left when he gave up that takedown, but he put his head down and was done. Most people think that the great ones don't break or quit, but they all do or did. Even the Ironsides', Brands', McIlravys' were broken at some point, its just that the common viewer never saw it in a match...it happened to them in practice. That is where the genius of Gable comes out. Just like Askren suggests in his "Gable Trained" blog.”
Hi Twilly,
I think you have to remember a couple of things here before thinking Kolat broke mentally. From a physiological point of view, once your energy system breaks down that's it. It doesn't matter how much you want it, you are done. Thats it.
Kolat hadn't even been remotely pushed by that point that year. For a guy who was famous for his own motor, this could go a long way toward explaining what happened here. I onced witnessed Kolat maxing out an old school stairmaster for an hour straight at the new jersey freestyle state championships. His conditioning was stunning.
This is not to make excuses for Kolat since Ironsides wrestled a really tough match.
Also Kolat was very close to Dave Schultz from what I understand and if I remember correctly this match went down not too long after Schultz's murder. So from a psych point of view maybe there is something there.
People also have to remember that Kolat, not ironsides, won nationals that year. Kolat won a somewhat close but very controlled victory over St. John from Arizona St. who was 2-0 against Ironsides that year.
I once saw a Kolat highlight video on here or youtube and it had the song, Seek and Destroy" by Metallica. It was awesome, does anyone know where that is? It would be greatly appreciated.
Great Match! What a come-back. I have always enjoyed watching Kolat's matches throughout his highschool career to the international level. Nice Throwback Thrus!
From a sport psychology point of view, it is very interesting to see Kolat break in the last 20 seconds. There were still 20 some seconds left when he gave up that takedown, but he put his head down and was done. Most people think that the great ones don't break or quit, but they all do or did. Even the Ironsides', Brands', McIlravys' were broken at some point, its just that the common viewer never saw it in a match...it happened to them in practice. That is where the genius of Gable comes out. Just like Askren suggests in his "Gable Trained" blog.
njjjj said: “he took 2nd,3rd,1st,1st at nationals. the description saying "Kolat had transferred from Penn State the previous year not placing at the NCAA tournament to Lock haven." is misleading. He didnt place because 1995 was his redshirt year. he was still a 4x AA 4x top 3 finisher 3x finalist and 2x champ.”
Actually if you read it is does say that he red shirted and sat out of the NCAA tournament the previous year not that he didn't place. Although is does sound misleading and I thought the same thing the first time I read it.
he took 2nd,3rd,1st,1st at nationals. the description saying "Kolat had transferred from Penn State the previous year not placing at the NCAA tournament to Lock haven." is misleading. He didnt place because 1995 was his redshirt year. he was still a 4x AA 4x top 3 finisher 3x finalist and 2x champ.
Great display of conditioning as a superior technique. Kolat is an overpowering wrestler, but Ironside kept on climbing the mountain until he reached the peak. And that was superior entertainment, just a joy to watch. Great match selection.
“if kolat was well conditioned like every iowa wrestler, he would have won”
“Holy Smokes! Don Carruth. It has to have been over a decade? Last thing I heard you were a Police Officer in Middlesex County. Sorry if that is wrong, I can't even remember the grapevine I got that info out of.”
“great match......kolat had eleven pins in 11 matchs and started off strong..... but ironside had many more matches (10 more) also which could translate to the bottomless tank plus the ever so present iowa style 3rd periods which made him finish strong ....whats up Cruickshank ...long time no see!! hahaha”
“They both won 2 NCAA's, Ironside being more impressive in his 2 titles and 1-0 against Kolat in College...the Schultz thing is unfortunate but still a complete joke as an explanation for this meltdown.
Kolat wasn't ready for somebody to last a complete match w/ him at Ironside's pace at this point in the year...obviously, it must have motivated him to get in shape and win a title that year...”
However, you raise an interesting arguement about Kolat and Ironsides. I would argue that Kolat's college career and his NCAA titles were more impressive even though their win/loss records at NCAA's were very similar.
This is not to disparage Ironsides at all. He had an incredible career, well out of the universe of anything I ever accomplished. But as fans let's look at the data:
Ironsides NCAA: Redshirt, 6, 3, 1, 1
Kolat NCAA:2, 3, Redshirt, 1, 1
Kolat took 2nd in the country to a an eventual 3 time national champ as a true freshman. Ironsides managed a 6th as a redshirt freshman. That's a big difference. Kolat beat the defending national champ and two time finalist Troy Steiner in the semi's that year. I don't believe Ironsides ever defeated anybody at that level at nationals. His losses were to Steve St. John (twice) and to the kid from fresno, zinckin I believe.
Kolat's career NCAA record: 19-2 (11 superior victories). Kolat not only had an additional superior victory his only losses came to a two time finalist (Mohammedi who lost to Jaworsky both times) and a 3 time champ (Jaworsky).
Ironsides: 19-3 (10 of his wins were "superior victories i.e. fall, major, tech)
While they are both incredible careers and close in some respects I think the stats clearly prove that Kolat's career at NCAA's was much more impressive.
“Hi Twilly,
I think you have to remember a couple of things here before thinking Kolat broke mentally. From a physiological point of view, once your energy system breaks down that's it. It doesn't matter how much you want it, you are done. Thats it.
Kolat hadn't even been remotely pushed by that point that year. For a guy who was famous for his own motor, this could go a long way toward explaining what happened here. I onced witnessed Kolat maxing out an old school stairmaster for an hour straight at the new jersey freestyle state championships. His conditioning was stunning.
This is not to make excuses for Kolat since Ironsides wrestled a really tough match.
Also Kolat was very close to Dave Schultz from what I understand and if I remember correctly this match went down not too long after Schultz's murder. So from a psych point of view maybe there is something there.
People also have to remember that Kolat, not ironsides, won nationals that year. Kolat won a somewhat close but very controlled victory over St. John from Arizona St. who was 2-0 against Ironsides that year.”
Kolat wasn't ready for somebody to last a complete match w/ him at Ironside's pace at this point in the year...obviously, it must have motivated him to get in shape and win a title that year...
“Mike, I agree with you. I maybe didn't explain it very eloquently. I didn't mean to suggest that Kolat was weak minded, I was just making a point, that every elite level athlete quits. They all push themselves to a point where the body is done. We just don't see it in matches very often, because they do it during training. I totally agree that Kolat, simply didn't have the training at that point in the season to hold up in that match. Beings that he almost won anyway, show how great a wrestler he is.”
No worries. I didn't want to make it seem like I was challenging you. I was just offering my perspective on things.
Kolat really is amazing. Sometimes people forget that he was a couple of really crappy, unfair calls away from being a multiple time world and olympic champ. And Ironsides was really devestating with that front headlock. He was able to turn a defensive move into a highly functional short offense.
It really is a blessing to watch guys like this go at it on the mat. It really reminds me of the old school matches where guys just went nuts trying to score points on one another. Some people claimed that the old school guys looked sloppy but they were not. They were just working under a different set of rules which really punished stalling. Guys like Kolat and Ironsides wrestled that way with nobody pushing them.
Really amazing.
“Hi Twilly,
I think you have to remember a couple of things here before thinking Kolat broke mentally. From a physiological point of view, once your energy system breaks down that's it. It doesn't matter how much you want it, you are done. Thats it.
Kolat hadn't even been remotely pushed by that point that year. For a guy who was famous for his own motor, this could go a long way toward explaining what happened here. I onced witnessed Kolat maxing out an old school stairmaster for an hour straight at the new jersey freestyle state championships. His conditioning was stunning.
This is not to make excuses for Kolat since Ironsides wrestled a really tough match.
Also Kolat was very close to Dave Schultz from what I understand and if I remember correctly this match went down not too long after Schultz's murder. So from a psych point of view maybe there is something there.
People also have to remember that Kolat, not ironsides, won nationals that year. Kolat won a somewhat close but very controlled victory over St. John from Arizona St. who was 2-0 against Ironsides that year.”
“Think of Donahoe vs NIckerson, this match is the exact opposite.”
“From a sport psychology point of view, it is very interesting to see Kolat break in the last 20 seconds. There were still 20 some seconds left when he gave up that takedown, but he put his head down and was done. Most people think that the great ones don't break or quit, but they all do or did. Even the Ironsides', Brands', McIlravys' were broken at some point, its just that the common viewer never saw it in a match...it happened to them in practice. That is where the genius of Gable comes out. Just like Askren suggests in his "Gable Trained" blog.”
I think you have to remember a couple of things here before thinking Kolat broke mentally. From a physiological point of view, once your energy system breaks down that's it. It doesn't matter how much you want it, you are done. Thats it.
Kolat hadn't even been remotely pushed by that point that year. For a guy who was famous for his own motor, this could go a long way toward explaining what happened here. I onced witnessed Kolat maxing out an old school stairmaster for an hour straight at the new jersey freestyle state championships. His conditioning was stunning.
This is not to make excuses for Kolat since Ironsides wrestled a really tough match.
Also Kolat was very close to Dave Schultz from what I understand and if I remember correctly this match went down not too long after Schultz's murder. So from a psych point of view maybe there is something there.
People also have to remember that Kolat, not ironsides, won nationals that year. Kolat won a somewhat close but very controlled victory over St. John from Arizona St. who was 2-0 against Ironsides that year.
Nice video, now you are on Kendall Cross and Kolat's black list, good luck with that.
“he took 2nd,3rd,1st,1st at nationals. the description saying "Kolat had transferred from Penn State the previous year not placing at the NCAA tournament to Lock haven." is misleading. He didnt place because 1995 was his redshirt year. he was still a 4x AA 4x top 3 finisher 3x finalist and 2x champ.”
by the third period in close matches.
wtf!!!!