Who Cares? said: “It doesn't really matter, cause RJ Will be terrible in college anyways, no sticks get to be all-americans, no matter how bad daddy pushes them.”
John Smith was a hulk . . . idiot.
Pena did a great job. He was the better wrestler here. I think there should have been one escape at the end, if not two reversal. Not to mention the takedown (that would have been called in college) on the edge of the mat earlier.
Sorry to see Pena throw his headgear, though. Usually, he is a class act.
Howie, you predicted Pena would have trouble, you were right! Have you seen anybody do well in college and look like he didn't spend any time in the weight room?
OREGON said: “If that OK 160 was in shape he would of killed that OR 145.”
Swan was at 152 at the beginning of the year, as early as thankgiving. wrestled mmore from iowa and stuck him like a lawn dart. only went up to 160 for his team at state and that why he ended up being ranked there. both these boys made 152 for this dual. swan is bigger im not arguing that, but its not that huge a difference. that being said, i was very very impressed w/ pena.
i love how the dude filming has no clue who pena is or swan is! he thinks pena is a black kid and swans a white kid! lol someone get this kid some notes! lol
im sure all of u have positive and negative things to say about each wrestler! but everyone know osu is gonna be a strong team with all these 3xers and 4xers that are gonna be freshman next year! john smith will turn them into all americans at least! it juss an opinion i may be wrong! thanks flo wrestle
Hey okie! This keeps looking worse and worse. You mean this kid wasn't even a 145 pounder?
To the idiot who said that it wasn't two.. Ya maybe not, but it was most definetely one! Which was all he needed! This idiot said pena gambled for two when he should have been going for one. Truth is he went for two but most definetely achieved the one point criteria. Again there are actual rules that need to be followed.
About the duck football game, which i was at... The game was reffed by pac ten officials who are not even from oregon? If you watched the game there were many blown calls going both ways. But simple minded bush voting okies u only are capable of seeing your side. Truth is that u cant win big games if you cant put it in the end zone when u get into the red zone. You need to actually make your field goals when they are all but give me's. No there were bad calls both ways and the okies were in potion to win the game many times but through horrible execution they blew opportunty after opportunity to win that game. Missed opps on their own play, yet u all want to blame officials. No I would look at myself and what I did or didn't do before I blamed officials.
Pena has more wrestling skill. Swan is stronger. Pena will get stronger. He has more upside. This match was fun because a smaller, weaker wrestler with more skills beat (in my opinion) a bigger wrestler.
Both officials call at the collegiate level. One called the D1 National Tournament, the other called the D2 National Tournament. You may not agree with the calls but the officials are both respected.
Looks like most of these matches were decided before they were even wrestled. Worst reffering I have ever seen. Must be giving ref certificates to everyone down there.
that is bull he should have had the reversal
rj pena should have won he is way better than the swan kid
the swan kid didnt even look that great to me all he did was defense
that ref is a and he should never be allowed to ref again
by the way the anouncer had the names wrong pena-blue swan-red
You have got to be kidding me.... that last flurry... there is NO way red was in control there.
I mean, honestly, just LOOKING AT IT... does it seriously look like red is in control of blue's hips? That is the definition of control... and there is no way he had control of Pena's hips...
Wow, if I was that ref I would put away my whistle for good. How could you sleep at night after a call like that. Should of been one for sure. Two point reverse could have been called. If you watch the next match the ref gave ortiz two on a similar situation
Why do people love to hate pena? Cause he is good? Sure seems to me that everyone on here that actually believes he doesnt get screwed is loving the fact that he lost. That is sickening. The fact that he threw his headgear doesnt matter, he had a right to be upset when your on top of someone when you started on bottom and there is no points is rediculous? Rj out worked him taking and almost getting a ton of shots but swan just kept backing up and stalling. Never shooting. If Rj had lost fair and square this would of been so different but he didnt he got a bad call when the refs should of been paying attention.
Great point Flo. The match shouldn't have been that close. It's over. It's sad that fans get the wrapped up in it. I am sure RJ regrets throwing his headgear when he lost. But he lost, and I know he's moved on.
Nobody cares anymore.. why is this even a subject to still comment about? it happened 2 days ago. Swan won and rj lost thats all that happened nobody's comment is gonna change it, like dnfan who really cares if YOU think swan locked his hands or not there was 2 refs? quit making yourself sound like an idot
swan wrestled 152 early in the year (as early as nov) and went up to 160 to help his team when state rolled around. just wanted to bring some clarity to this issue. i for one was wayyyyyyyyy impressed w/ pena. that kid is tuf! but IMO there was no real definite change in control at the end.
jersey said: “here's something everybody should take a look at. all these wrestlers got tired most of them probley been on the mat for a week or so... swan probobly would've beat rj worse then he did if he was in shape”
So you think the Oklahoma 160 would have had a better match with the Oregon 145 if he would have been in top condition?
here's something everybody should take a look at. all these wrestlers got tired most of them probley been on the mat for a week or so... swan probobly would've beat rj worse then he did if he was in shape
When kids are young, they sometimes have a hard time controlling their emotions. You need to regroup yourself and calm down.
Watch the match when your reasoning returns and don't let a wrestling match ruin your life.
Please stop the crying, your guy lost because he couldn't finish in a close one.
My eastern guys aren't complaining,:) give the oks their due in this one.
Your west coast guys are both good wrestlers and I hope they do well in college.
dartmouth said: “I looked up Swan. He was at 152 for the year.
They gave them five pounds for this match, so that is 150.
Glad that is cleared up, anymore excuses?
Keep'em coming crybabies.”
Swan is the 160 state champ. Looks like Williams, Dauphin, and Skates are the 152 champs.
dartmouth said: “I looked up Swan. He was at 152 for the year.
They gave them five pounds for this match, so that is 150.
Glad that is cleared up, anymore excuses?
Keep'em coming crybabies.”
apparantly you don't read too well. RJ was a 145lber and Swan was 152. Big difference as all could tell.
fact is, rj got hosed in this match and yes the ref should give it up if these are the kind of calls he makes regularly. there should've been no less than 1 on that scramble at the end. And how was there not stalling called on Swan during this match? He did absolutely nothing from his feet. Is this the same ref who called Nickerson/Donahoe's boring match?
And for OK fans to cheer because the ref handed Swan the match, just shows me how much they really know about wrestling.
I looked up Swan. He was at 152 for the year.
They gave them five pounds for this match, so that is 150.
Glad that is cleared up, anymore excuses?
Keep'em coming crybabies.
You actually used your keyboard to type "Our colleges actually have the home court dissadvantage."
Probably the worst back to back calls in college football history were made a couple of years ago in favor of the Oregon U football team as gifts to fix a win for them.... Does "Onside Kick" ring a bell?
Water under the bridge, but please, no more crying.
Pena never got his right arm around Swan in the last seconds because Swan had it blocked and continued to block it as he kept scooting his hips away.
Pena was trying to get his right arm over Swan's far leg to finish, but he couldn't do it.
Look at Pena's right arm at the end of the match, it is still on the left with his other arm because it was blocked off, keeping him from finishing once again.
He should have tried for 1, but he gambled for 2 and couldn't finish.
Wow, corruption! I am really glad I was not there, I would have made a seen! Was there ever a stall call on the okie kid? Did i see it right on my computer screen, did the official actually tell the kid to go down after he chose up?
Hey cowboys, getting ur hand raised at all costs is not winning. There are actual rules that must be followed weather ur guy is winning or not. How was that not a loss of control. Even okies should have been booing! I was impressed by the balls that rj showed but not surprised. He out wrestled the okie kid in every phase of the sport.
I mean no disrespect to the okie, he was just trying to win. Stalling and backing up was his only shot. I think he will be and is a very good wrestler.I dislike oklahoma just a bit more today than yesterday! What Oregon officials don't get is that is how it is, we a very fair minded here. Our colleges actually have the home court dissadvantage. Our college officials need to watch this match and change the way they call our duals. Ussually its the questionable call that always goes to the home team, this was blatently wrong! Which other page in the rule book should i rip out that will be ignored?
Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda, OKLAHOMA won fair an square, i was going for USA but gotta hand it to them, with or without the forfeit at 112, the okies came in prepared an battled thruout the whole dual, as in any dual calls could've went diff for either team, thanks flo for bringin coverage for us wrestling addicts
Trent Weatherman for Iowa would have dominated either one of these kids! Both kids are defensive and saying swan didnt shoot is a joke. count the shots yourself and you'll know your so wrong. rj is just a strong kid and thats all he knows how to use.
I'm from Oregon and i have watched him wrestle many times he deserved to be here and won this match. Swan never shot rj did all the work. Talk all you want about rj but hes is obviously one of the best wrestlers that has came out of Oregon in a long time he has definitely proved himself not only in high school but in national tournaments as well.
Home cooking. And Oklahoman's don't cook well. This is some "grade A dogfood" reff'n. Swan is one of the most boring wrestlers I've seen. I'd hate to see a Morningstar/Swan match.
This ref should hang his head in shame, put his whistle in the garbage disposal and give his shirts away to homeless persons.
The no-call at the end of the match where Swan loses control was cheating or incompetance.
Not sure how Swan ould have killed RJ when he Never, Never even touched his leg. Were his arms about 2 feet longer a month ago?
Either way this was wrong.
i watched swan wrestle before and this by far was the worst match i seen him wrestle... if it was just his shape or anxiety, (which it was one of those).. swan tech-falled his guy in the state finials 23-8 and hasen't been taken down at all this year.. swan still won and that didn't even look like him wrestling out there... so think about it what if he was at his best he would've killed rj
I'm from Oregon and it cracked me up when you realized you had the names wrong. Awesome announcing recovery, bro, you didn't miss a beat. Thanks for the coverage guys.
Great match, I thought RJ should have gotten one at the end. Credit to Swan for being able to get out so easily. RJ is a monster on top, which I think is why Swan was considering choosing neutral in the third.
it was not 1because as you can see pena didn't get his arm free at the end to wrap around swans body...it was trapped...according to the text he did not have control of the reversal...if he let go of the leg, he most likely would have gotten the 1 but since he tried going for the 2 and time ran out before he could get the reversal, no call...
i dont like rj either for some reason but he should of got the call i think that honestly he took more shots and stuff but also youhave to finish those shots so good job by swan by not being taken down but it should have been at least one i think
Joe nice call,only part that was a tad confusing......YOU MIXED UP THE TWO WRESTLERS.......when Swan went to the Okie corner on his injury time out no bell wrung in your head...ooops......besides that minor problem......... great match....and thanks for all the great coverage.
Pena had alot of good low singles an heel trips but couldnt finish, i def think that shoulda have been at least an escape there at the end, shoulda took it into another overtime in neutral
Stephen Swan, the heavily muscled grappler in the red singlet, faces RJ Pena, the lithe grappler in the blue singlet: Swan represents the state of Oklahoma from the legendary wrestling community of Perry and Pena, out of Oregon, represents the national Dream Team. Swan grinds and hand fights: Pena, the more active shooter, penetrates on multiple singles but can't finish against the stronger Swan. Both wrestlers’ show excellent explosive stand-ups garnering each an escape point to take a 1-1 score into overtime. Pena again nearly scores on a well-initiated single, but Swan fights it off on the edge of the mat. Swan escapes with a stand-up again in overtime. Pena can't escape from the powerful Swan, although he almost reverses him at the end with time running out. Pena, more highly ranked than Swan nationally and the more active wrestler, loses in an upset win by Swan. Swan, his strength, mental toughness, and his good fortune stymied the faster, more active, and more technically polished Pena. The score separated the competitors by only a point, yet the match seemed even closer than that one point.
“It doesn't really matter, cause RJ Will be terrible in college anyways, no sticks get to be all-americans, no matter how bad daddy pushes them.”
Pena did a great job. He was the better wrestler here. I think there should have been one escape at the end, if not two reversal. Not to mention the takedown (that would have been called in college) on the edge of the mat earlier.
Sorry to see Pena throw his headgear, though. Usually, he is a class act.
“If that OK 160 was in shape he would of killed that OR 145.”
“know whats crazy everybodys talking about swans shape..just think if he was in shape he woulda killed pena -”
145 RJ number one in nation
160 Swan number seven in nation
To the idiot who said that it wasn't two.. Ya maybe not, but it was most definetely one! Which was all he needed! This idiot said pena gambled for two when he should have been going for one. Truth is he went for two but most definetely achieved the one point criteria. Again there are actual rules that need to be followed.
About the duck football game, which i was at... The game was reffed by pac ten officials who are not even from oregon? If you watched the game there were many blown calls going both ways. But simple minded bush voting okies u only are capable of seeing your side. Truth is that u cant win big games if you cant put it in the end zone when u get into the red zone. You need to actually make your field goals when they are all but give me's. No there were bad calls both ways and the okies were in potion to win the game many times but through horrible execution they blew opportunty after opportunity to win that game. Missed opps on their own play, yet u all want to blame officials. No I would look at myself and what I did or didn't do before I blamed officials.
pena had control over the entire 5 seconds of the match!!
or at least that swan kid had none...
this is the worst reffing ive ever seen
“In classes 4a, 5a, and 6a. Swan won it at 152 in 3a”
rj pena should have won he is way better than the swan kid
the swan kid didnt even look that great to me all he did was defense
that ref is a and he should never be allowed to ref again
by the way the anouncer had the names wrong pena-blue swan-red
I mean, honestly, just LOOKING AT IT... does it seriously look like red is in control of blue's hips? That is the definition of control... and there is no way he had control of Pena's hips...
“The okie was a 152 pounder wrestling at 150 for this match.
The okie wins much easier in a rematch. JMO
Get some cheese to go along with that whine.”
The okie wins much easier in a rematch. JMO
Get some cheese to go along with that whine.
“here's something everybody should take a look at. all these wrestlers got tired most of them probley been on the mat for a week or so... swan probobly would've beat rj worse then he did if he was in shape”
Character is character a slammed head gear is bush league.
Watch the match when your reasoning returns and don't let a wrestling match ruin your life.
Please stop the crying, your guy lost because he couldn't finish in a close one.
My eastern guys aren't complaining,:) give the oks their due in this one.
Your west coast guys are both good wrestlers and I hope they do well in college.
but they would go back to their feat first.
Pena out wrestled the kid, Disappointed in the head gear toss,
the Beaver is coming out in him.
“I looked up Swan. He was at 152 for the year.
They gave them five pounds for this match, so that is 150.
Glad that is cleared up, anymore excuses?
Keep'em coming crybabies.”
“I looked up Swan. He was at 152 for the year.
They gave them five pounds for this match, so that is 150.
Glad that is cleared up, anymore excuses?
Keep'em coming crybabies.”
fact is, rj got hosed in this match and yes the ref should give it up if these are the kind of calls he makes regularly. there should've been no less than 1 on that scramble at the end. And how was there not stalling called on Swan during this match? He did absolutely nothing from his feet. Is this the same ref who called Nickerson/Donahoe's boring match?
And for OK fans to cheer because the ref handed Swan the match, just shows me how much they really know about wrestling.
They gave them five pounds for this match, so that is 150.
Glad that is cleared up, anymore excuses?
Keep'em coming crybabies.
You actually used your keyboard to type "Our colleges actually have the home court dissadvantage."
Probably the worst back to back calls in college football history were made a couple of years ago in favor of the Oregon U football team as gifts to fix a win for them.... Does "Onside Kick" ring a bell?
Water under the bridge, but please, no more crying.
Pena never got his right arm around Swan in the last seconds because Swan had it blocked and continued to block it as he kept scooting his hips away.
Pena was trying to get his right arm over Swan's far leg to finish, but he couldn't do it.
Look at Pena's right arm at the end of the match, it is still on the left with his other arm because it was blocked off, keeping him from finishing once again.
He should have tried for 1, but he gambled for 2 and couldn't finish.
“For what it is worth, Pena wrestled 145 in Oregon all year. Not sure about Swan. Should have been an escape at the end.”
Hey cowboys, getting ur hand raised at all costs is not winning. There are actual rules that must be followed weather ur guy is winning or not. How was that not a loss of control. Even okies should have been booing! I was impressed by the balls that rj showed but not surprised. He out wrestled the okie kid in every phase of the sport.
I mean no disrespect to the okie, he was just trying to win. Stalling and backing up was his only shot. I think he will be and is a very good wrestler.I dislike oklahoma just a bit more today than yesterday! What Oregon officials don't get is that is how it is, we a very fair minded here. Our colleges actually have the home court dissadvantage. Our college officials need to watch this match and change the way they call our duals. Ussually its the questionable call that always goes to the home team, this was blatently wrong! Which other page in the rule book should i rip out that will be ignored?
whatever they brought a weak usa team this year. shouldve brought peppleman at 152
The no-call at the end of the match where Swan loses control was cheating or incompetance.
Not sure how Swan ould have killed RJ when he Never, Never even touched his leg. Were his arms about 2 feet longer a month ago?
Either way this was wrong.
I'm from Oregon and it cracked me up when you realized you had the names wrong. Awesome announcing recovery, bro, you didn't miss a beat. Thanks for the coverage guys.
Great match, I thought RJ should have gotten one at the end. Credit to Swan for being able to get out so easily. RJ is a monster on top, which I think is why Swan was considering choosing neutral in the third.
How could it be home cooking