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Rich BenderOpen Up WrestlingApril 14, 2009 Wrestling cant afford to be closed. Wrestling cant afford not to be out there. Wrestling is competing with every other activity out there and has to step it up.
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I am tired of more of that stuff than wrestling.
Big 10 network has been great.
Flowrestling will revolutionize the sport if they will embrace Martin. He has built quite a organization.
Also Martin doesn't understand business. It sucks, but people have to make money, otherwise there's no way to provide anything. We hate espn becasue they are not a charity, and we expect them and USA wrestling to provide all this awesome coverage.
To me, espn is like a drug company. The drugs that you buy at the store cost probably 1/400th of what you pay. But they sell them at that price because people will take what they can get. If you know basic economics, the supply line is vertical.
And Martin is very knowledgeable about this issue. His passion is obvious, and I wish I had it for the sport. Let's just hope he doesn't run for politics, and then next thing you know we are a communist country and the borders have been knocked down. I love flo, but also if you are interviewing with the head of USA wrestling, try and show a little more respect for the organization, no matter what you feel or want to say. Just my thoughts..
If I filmed that match between Graff and Gomez, could I post it on FloWrestling without getting into trouble?
Thanks for the civilized and rationalized post in response to my comments.
Martin has this army of followers, I am sure that they could more than cover the rights costs by asking for donations or sponsors.
their coverage also included some interesting stories, that they hadn't done in the past.
btw espn showed the quarters on up to the finals, including the medal rounds, not just the finals.
That said, we need some new thinking, if we are to grow. Our biggest events need to be opened up to other broadcasts, like FLO. At the very least, the matches that will not be broadcast by the big players like ESPN.
Basketball and Football aren't huge because ESPN broadcasts their events, ESPN broadcasts their events because they are huge. We need to work on getting huge first, then worry about who to sell the broadcast rights to. Get fans excited, get people to buy in, and then have your choice of media, if that is what we want.
Regardless, if we are never to be main stream sport, OPEN will be better for everyone as we will get to see matches that we otherwise would not, if we are to grow and become main stream, OPEN will get us there by growing the base and broadcasters will want to cover more of our events. win-win
Now USAW coverage on the other hand, has been terrible and needs to expand. But those are two different entities.
Why doesn't Flo pay a fee to USAW or other groups to provide live coverage of the events? They want the coverage and they are a media outlet then they should pay a fee to have the exclusive coverage of the event. It is not that hard. Pay and you probably can have the exclusive video of the event.
I am with you Martin. ESPN and LSV coverage of wrestling events have not grown the sport. I am not saying I do not like the ESPN coverage of the NCAAs, I think it is a great event, but really, how excited can those outside of the sport get at an event where they know nothing about the athletes, and have not been following the season.
Wrestling is getting killed right now, and staying the course will not improve the situation. we need to open up the coverage and events. Live FLO events, or other similar sites, with good commentary, and consistent coverage will help our sport. I was willing to listen to live commentary on FLO, but unwilling to pay ESPN360 to watch the events. How can we grow as a sport when guys who eat, sleep, and breath wrestling are unwilling to pay the ESPNs of the world to watch the sport? This is the hard reality.
Maybe it's time for a big national quality tournament to try open live coverage. Maybe the FLO OPEN? Or OPEN FLO?
Keeping our sport only inside our little community is not healthy. ESPN has really started to expand the coverage on TV and online.
And the idea that our coverage should be free is exactly the reason why our sport suffers. Our fans are cheap and simply won't pay to watch our sport, yet every other fans of the major sports do constantly. Thus the reason why they get so much coverage. When our current fans start to open up their pocket books and quick thinking everything in our sport should be free, that's when you'll see some REAL change.
If you really want to make a difference in this sport, go to some live college duals and bring some friends. Donate money to your local college teams, as well. That's what this sport needs more of.
Wrestling is getting killed right now, and staying the course will not improve the situation. we need to open up the coverage and events. Live FLO events, or other similar sites, with good commentary, and consistent coverage will help our sport. I was willing to listen to live commentary on FLO, but unwilling to pay ESPN360 to watch the events. How can we grow as a sport when guys who eat, sleep, and breath wrestling are unwilling to pay the ESPNs of the world to watch the sport? This is the hard reality.
Maybe it's time for a big national quality tournament to try open live coverage. Maybe the FLO OPEN? Or OPEN FLO?
I agre to Disagree Tom
Is this about what is best for wrestling or what is best for Flo Wrestling? It seems to me that Flo is really wanting this because it helps Flo wrestling. How much coverage or promotion of any events if Flo is not there? Just asking the questions. I personally like the events being on TV. I want to expand our exposure of our sport out of our own little environment.
The NCAA finals are on ESPNU because the NCAA has a contract for every single one of their sports with ESPN except for those that produce the most money. NCAA wrestling is not the Rose Bowl or the Final Four.
Let's face it folks, America is not a country that loves wrestling and it never will be--ever. Sure, we'd all love to believe in our minds that it can be because we're already convinced, but we're preaching to the choir here. Wrestling is not a money maker in any form of the sport (except for Ken Chertow, maybe) and many Americans equate large paychecks to success. Wrestling doesn't offer that, so it's as if it's a past time filled with lepers. Open up wrestling all you want, Martin. The reality is that it is one form of martial arts that the vast majority of Americans couldn't care less about and it is proven year after year after year through the complete lack of attendance at meets, the pitiful forms of revenue the sport sees and the ambivalance to anything that doesn't have a ball as part of the game.
As much as I hate to say this and love to say this at the same time, wrestling needs to align itself with MMA a bit more as the baseline sport that feeds the world its best fighters. These days, no one cares about who the best wrestler is or who the best jiu-jitsu guy is. It's all about who is the best guy out there who blends it all together. Who's the toughest guy on earth in ALL forms, not just one? American wrestling doesn't provide that sort of thing and it never will. I hate to be a pessimist, but I prefer to see myself as a realist.
You are right- who cares about being mainstream. And if we do things correctly we dont need to lose college programs, but add programs while staying an underground sport. The community needs to be connected. We need to be able to follow the sport better than you can follow college basketball or college football. It is a tall order but we can do it. No it wont be the traditional route through ESPN, but our own route...through online video interconnected all over the web. This difference will make us better. Our openness and diversity of videographers will make us better and more interesting than ESPN.
I would recommend trying harder to crack the NCAA egg. Obviously, the finals will never be broadcasted on Flo, but you all should and hopefully will get to go cover the Midlands and big tournaments that are during the season.
If you're saying stop the espn 2 coverage and put it on the internet, i would disagree because to me the Nationals are like USA wrestling super bowl. I love seeing the sport on the national stage although I think ESPN coverage is somewhat weak because they don't really understand the sport. Think the website is great for the sport and is by far the best resource for wrestling. Love to see more of flowrestling style on USA website. Keep it up guys
If you appeal to the universities from an educational standpoint, then think about scholarships. If a state has a higher proportion of kids who wrestle then maybe a college will add wrestling, seeing it as another way to give more kids an opportunity for higher education.
Money is key. Even though wrestling programs don't cost much to run in comparison to other sports, times are tough right now and colleges won't risk draining their budgets by adding another sports program. So boosters must be found, ones who come up with business plans to show that the programs can pay for themselves entirely or almost so. ASU got dropped without any warning and it was only through quick planning and great boosters that the program was reinstated.
One must attack the problem from many angles such as popularity, participation, and finances. Also, it has been mentioned that some athletic directors don't care about wrestling. Short of getting them fired and replacing them with better ones, how do you win them over so we don't lose more programs?
I applaud you and your efforts, and if I were to ever win the lotto, you my friend in wrestling, would be hearing from me. Support needs to go where there is true passion and love for the sport and that is with you. Thank you for all you have done and for sharing all your videos with us.
Big Jim
why do we want wrestling mainstreamed. Besides losing college programs what's it matter if we're not popular. Not meant to be rude. Just playing a little devils advocate.
Nice On-The-Fly speech Martin.
here are some of these videos we thought we might not see
flo you just made me change my mind about you.. all this time i just thought you were a weirdo but as a competitor and fan of the sport i see that you do want big things for the sport. We need more flowrestling sites and more people trying to get this exposure out and forget about rights. Because it comes down to the fact that not everyone can go to vegas or go to the world team trials but we are all fans and love the sport just as much. Thanks flo keep getting in the way and make yourself known
GOD BLESS WRESTLING
As far as more coverage goes, our international wrestlers are not at the level of the Russians and other wrestlers from the former Soviet satellite states. Just look to the past Olympics and we can see how much more dominant they are than the U.S. It might be a disservice to our wrestlers if we allow open access to a plethora of their matches which can add to an international opponent's scouting.
you are always a leader in this sport and have done so much to advance the cause of wrestling. i really appreciated these interviews, however i think as a good journalist you needed to push rich bender a little bit more to give real HONEST answers to your questions. why was kj let go? he didn't really answer this question but rather gave you the cookie cutter politically correct response. what does zeke really bring to this program? he is unproven as a coach. why has russia dominated us so thoroughly over the last 4-10 years? why can't we get more money to our athletes now? why do the russian olympic gold medalists get BMW's from their dagastanian oil tycoon while clarissa chun maybe gets $40,000? you didn't probe him enough about the ralph marinetti experience at NCAA's. rich let you in on some very inside info about how he brought the head of FILA to the NCAA's to try and change the international style from f/s to folk and you just nodded your head and gave him a couple of "o.k's." that's huge news. what came of that meeting. what was ralph marinetti's feelings on folkstyle. what years was that? he fed you a bone there and you just dropped the ball. and the most important question you forgot to ask rich was about MMA. our best and brightest stars are fleeing USA wrestling for greener pasteurs. ben askren, phil davis, jake rosholt, johnny hendricks, henry cejudo, etc all have left wrestling to pursue mma. if we expect to not only compete with the russians but beat them one day we need to retain our best stars. what is usa wrestling doing to ensure that our most promising wrestlers continue wrestling and don't leave to compete in mixed martial arts???
martin, i know you are capable of more. instead of another front lawn wrestling match between you and joe in austin, set up more meetings with usa wrestling management, with russian federation management, with FILA to really try and see where we as a country can grow and get better. and as a journalist, don't just settle for the politically correct answer. if you see an inroad, probe and get to the deeper more honest truth.
keep up the good work.