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#68	Kevin Menefee August 21, 2009 at 9:04pm Any good ref calls that fleeing. What happened before or after has no bearing on that call. reply
#67	I Want To See The Finals June 9, 2009 at 5:05pm Hey man, would you please upload the Lafayette vs. Pope finals, I want to show my dad my match. reply
#66	Just A Fan March 23, 2009 at 11:43pm Should have let them duke it out in OT. Okie kid iniated on line when was ref gona call them out? rediculous. Better luck next year kid. reply
#65	Iowa Fan.. March 22, 2009 at 12:28am PISS POOR reply
#64	Me Again March 21, 2009 at 3:08pm Don Singles said: “From the 2009 NCAA Rule Book: Rule 5.10.3: "Repeated movement away from the opponent without attempting a takedown is defined as fleeing the opponent and is stalling. Rule 5.14 - Fleeing Wrestling Area Fleeing or attempting to flee the wrestling area, or forcing, or attempting to force an opponent out of the wrestling area as a means of avoiding being scored upon, is a technical violation. Both wrestlers should make every effort to remain in bounds. Fleeing occurs any time a wrestler avoids wrestling by intentionally going or trying to go out of bounds, by pulling or attempting to pull the opponent out of bounds or by pushing or attempting to push the opponent out of bounds. Fleeing the wrestling area shall not follow the disqualification sequence. The penalty shall be one point for each infraction. Whether this is called 4%, 44% or 94% of the time is irrelevent. The rule says what it says and the ref made the call based on the rule and it was the right call.” Thank you for that rule. THIS SOLVES IT.... Dennis was pushing Notte out of bounds the entire match. Therefore be consistant and award Notte his penalty points too. Having said that Notte won the match. Watch the whole thing. In fact, go back and watch the same two at OSU in Jan. Notte won that match too. According to the rule you just posted. reply
#63	Just Me March 21, 2009 at 3:02pm That's only a clip of the match... Chris wrestled agressively the entire match. If your going to through penalty points out there Dennis should have been hit for stalling. They both got a TD and an Escape. With 30 seconds left let them duke it out in OT. Besides Notte initiated the move and had Dennis' arm. Bad call... reply
#62	Matref0 March 21, 2009 at 10:42am Here is one from the medal round 2 yrs ago. Much more questionable than the Iowa/Ok St one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBkjd6iwpY4 reply
#61	Tom Hunter March 21, 2009 at 10:15am sorry about the spelling of "NOT"! reply
#60	Tom Hunter March 21, 2009 at 10:14am the real problem was the ref didn't call Dennis for stalling throughout the period and this attempt by OkSt. The "fleeing the mat" call was questionable; I've seen many exact replicas NOT called, and a lesser percentage called. I'm retired, but used to Ref High School matches and tournaments. I would NOPT have made the call. th reply
#59	Anonymous Coward March 21, 2009 at 9:59am He fleed the mat. It's a rule, and refs should enforce the rules no matter what tournament it's at. reply
#58	Ref March 21, 2009 at 8:32am I ref and this fits the definition of fleeing the mat, however I would never make this call to decide a match in the NCAA's because the wrestler from okst initiated the action!! Im sure others see it differently but its bull when ref's decide matches rather than the wrestlers ... reply
#57	Anonymous Coward March 21, 2009 at 12:00am who won? reply
#56	Sierra149lbs March 20, 2009 at 5:57pm That call was a terrible call for sure but thats the NCAA'S nothing is ever perfect!!! reply
#55	Hawkeyes Are Tools March 20, 2009 at 5:30pm that call was terrible.... dennis was fleeing for sure reply
#54	Mark Niemann March 20, 2009 at 2:30pm I made sure not to read any of the comments before viewing or posting... I think it was fleeing as I understand the rule. Now that I have read the comments, Sam is right on. Call the correct way, all the time and there is no contrversy. reply
#53	Sam March 20, 2009 at 2:27pm If that call was made regularly in that situation, then it may have been a decent call. But fleeing is rarely if ever called and in that situation, after having initiated the action, it was a poor one. reply
#52	Kaiser Kaiser March 20, 2009 at 2:25pm no.. reply
#51	Q March 20, 2009 at 1:13pm Good call. Coaches at all levels would tell you to circle and not be so blatant about going out of bounds. reply
#50	Joe O'Gorman March 20, 2009 at 12:47pm Chris Notte may have won this match and did not because he did not wrestle aggressively enough and did not do well on the edge of the mat. Whether or not it should have been called a "fleeing the mat", and in my opinion it was a reasonable call, I think Notte should have countered the move more aggressively and tried for a stalemate or a good scramble. If one thinks it was a questionable call, one should admit that Chris should have wrestled more aggressively to win and if he had wrestled more aggressively the call would not have been made as it was made. Notte has an excellent future as a Division I wrestler and this moment will stay with him, fuel him to excel, and school him on better tactics. Chris had an excellent first season in DI and lost to an outstanding wrestler. Chris will perform even better in his next season. reply
#49	Gaskill March 20, 2009 at 11:53am Chris was def. fleeing the mat this is college wrestling he's gotta be working for more..he knows where the out of bounds is he needs to move in. Was not a questionable call. reply
#48	Wrestler4life March 20, 2009 at 10:02am Have to agree with Brian, its the big show and you know whats on the line here. He was fleeing, where the hell else was he going, to grab a drink? reply
#47	Matref0 March 20, 2009 at 9:42am I can live with this call. OK St was dragging IA out of bounds. Text book flee IMO. The problem is it is not called much during the regular season and it should be. If you think I'm full of crap, if this was a bad call, John Smith would have went nuts and they would have been at the table arguing it. He told his wrestler to stay on the mat. Of course the Iowa fans applaud this call. reply
#46	Anonymous Coward March 20, 2009 at 9:42am bad call reply
#45	Mikeb March 20, 2009 at 9:41am bad call reply
#44	Brian Brubaker March 20, 2009 at 9:10am With that being said....It IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP and you should not even make the ref THINK your fleeing! reply
#43	Open Up March 20, 2009 at 8:03am Yeah, I can see how the ref could see that as fleeing. BUT, this is the national championships and you should let them wrestle for it. reply
#42	Anonymous Coward March 20, 2009 at 7:44am absolutely terrible call reply
#41	Wrestler1 March 20, 2009 at 3:44am Probaby a good call. Gotta do a better job of selling when you are fleeing on the edge. reply
#40	Just Terrible March 20, 2009 at 1:39am Year round preparation to have the match decided by a highly subjective, extremely inconsistent, questionable and just plain ridiculous call. reply
#39	IL Wrestling March 20, 2009 at 1:07am that was a good call...nothing wrong reply
#38	Anonymous Coward March 20, 2009 at 12:45am John Smith sure didn't seem like he was suprised that it was called. reply
#37	Barcarn22 March 20, 2009 at 12:40am what year is notte? (reppin nj wrestling...holy spirt) reply
#36	Don Singles March 19, 2009 at 11:55pm From the 2009 NCAA Rule Book: Rule 5.10.3: "Repeated movement away from the opponent without attempting a takedown is defined as fleeing the opponent and is stalling. Rule 5.14 - Fleeing Wrestling Area Fleeing or attempting to flee the wrestling area, or forcing, or attempting to force an opponent out of the wrestling area as a means of avoiding being scored upon, is a technical violation. Both wrestlers should make every effort to remain in bounds. Fleeing occurs any time a wrestler avoids wrestling by intentionally going or trying to go out of bounds, by pulling or attempting to pull the opponent out of bounds or by pushing or attempting to push the opponent out of bounds. Fleeing the wrestling area shall not follow the disqualification sequence. The penalty shall be one point for each infraction. Whether this is called 4%, 44% or 94% of the time is irrelevent. The rule says what it says and the ref made the call based on the rule and it was the right call. reply
#35	Johann Gerlach March 19, 2009 at 11:46pm Very tough call but I can see some mat fleeing. OSU's got a russian 2 on 1 and he's pulling him off. Shouldn't be the call that decides a match at Nationals though. That's a first tournament of the yr call. Ref made a boo boo. You're there to let these kids decide what's up, not be the cool-guy ref. reply
#34	Codyingle March 19, 2009 at 11:41pm def the right call he was walking of the mat and not trying to defend the low ankle of dennis reply
#33	James March 19, 2009 at 11:26pm without a doubt the right call reply
#32	TJ X March 19, 2009 at 10:47pm 100% correct call and the TJ X man will explain and let this be a lesson to all young wrestlers coming up, no matter what level you are: When you are on the edge, you ALWAYS fight into the man, NEVER EVER EVER pull your man off or appear to flee the mat. I don't care if rabbit kicking is a bona fide defense, doesn't matter at all. Edge wrestling is a game of PERCEPTION and when a referee sees one man in on an opponent's legs and the other man appears to be running away, it looks like fleeing PERIOD and you are going to get whacked, AND HE DID. Always thrust your hips inward, get on those hands, kill the opponent's head, shoelaces to the mat, and KEEP WRESTLING!!! This was fleeing and not only would I have called this guy but I would have disqualified him and kicked his family out of the stadium because I hate Okie State anyways. reply
#31	Lammergeier March 19, 2009 at 10:45pm Give me an F'ing break on OSU not being well conditioned. Hendricks is the greatest conditioned athlete of all time. Ask people if Pendleton had no gas? How about Rosholt? Get out. reply
#30	LOCK UP AND TOSS March 19, 2009 at 10:38pm GREAT CALL REF!! reply
#29	Cornell Fan March 19, 2009 at 10:35pm FLEEING FOR SURE reply
#28	Brian Brubaker March 19, 2009 at 10:31pm Regardless of whether or not he was just trying to score....he DID flee he pulled Dennis out of bounds! reply
#27	I Hate State March 19, 2009 at 10:12pm anonymous coward likes to suck wrestlers choads! reply
#26	Come On Ref March 19, 2009 at 9:57pm Chris tries to score,and the ref should have given them a fresh start, out of bounds. No flee no stall, let the guys wrestle.Then notte goes to wrestlebacks and hits the 3rd seed that was upset to go to wrestlebacks first match. Ncaa's is over for notte, that sucks. Keep your head up kid, and good luck next year. reply
#25	Anonymous Coward March 19, 2009 at 9:56pm not called enough...you cant pull someone out...and i am much more of an OSU fan than an Iowa reply
#24	Julio March 19, 2009 at 9:41pm WOW! terrrrible call. dennis is a chronic stall artist who never gets called! notte initiated the takedown and took two steps back to balance himself. straight screw job. reply
#23	Notsure March 19, 2009 at 9:34pm i dont understand this call...think about it people.. if this happens in the center of the mat...the guy is probably going to do the same thing when it comes to a low single at least..if u cant sprawl your only options is to try and kick out reply
#22	Tough Call March 19, 2009 at 9:33pm It did not look as if notte was making an attempt to stay on the mat. He peeled the hand off his leg and slowly eased himself off the mat. reply
#21	Bad Call IMHO March 19, 2009 at 9:27pm First of all, the kid from OSU wasn't stalling, he took the first shot. More importantly, how else do you propose he defended the leg in a manner more efficent. He did what almost any wrestler in that situation would have done, thus, I disagree with the ref's call. If referees in general made fleeing the mat calls more often this wouldn't even be an issue. reply
#20	Ed The Doober March 19, 2009 at 9:04pm GREAT CALL!!! I hate stallers and jagoffs who don't want to wrestle and I want to see Dennis go all the way. reply
#19	Anonymous Coward March 19, 2009 at 8:50pm Was this overtime? reply
#18	Anonymous Coward March 19, 2009 at 8:48pm i think that dennis should get a new pair of shoes noting have some JV shoes bro come on ur in college reply
#17	Craig Davis March 19, 2009 at 8:47pm That was as good call if he wasnt fleeing he made it look that way reply
#16	Mike Glaberman March 19, 2009 at 8:27pm tough tough call reply
#15	Brandon Hancock March 19, 2009 at 8:18pm right call, he was just scooting out of bounds like a lil . reply
#14	Kniggit March 19, 2009 at 8:18pm That call might be made 4% of the time during the season reply
#13	Vance March 19, 2009 at 8:16pm i dont agree with the call, whistle them out of bounds and let the wrestlers decide the outcome! reply
#12	Dckundr March 19, 2009 at 8:07pm right call reply
#11	Unbiased March 19, 2009 at 7:49pm In my opinion he was fleeing the mat. He dragged Dennis 3 or 4 steps, and didnt appear to be trying any other counter. reply
#10	MonsterStatus March 19, 2009 at 7:24pm I don't believe he was intentionally fleeing, however, the way the rule is interpreted he could have still defended the shot on the mat and tried to keep it on the mat (although he probably would have been taken down at the edge if he did so). Can't say I like it, but I think it was the correct call to make. reply
#9	Rob Spallone March 19, 2009 at 7:08pm no way! def. not fleeing that was a total BS call reply
#8	Cowboys March 19, 2009 at 7:06pm Horrible call! You have to run flagrantly out of bounds to be called for fleeing. To Coach McStupid. OSU has stalled their way to 34 national titles. reply
#7	Don Singles March 19, 2009 at 7:04pm The rule states that you can not leave the mat to avoid a take down. While defending a take down in that manner is perfectly normal, doing so at the edge of the mat is a penalty. The only bad call here would be a no call. reply
#6	Anonymous Coward March 19, 2009 at 7:04pm he didnt defend into him....but probably should not be called. reply
#5	Bob VanWinkle March 19, 2009 at 6:58pm watched it several times, looks like a very questionable call.. One of the first things my coach always said...never let a ref decide a match!!! reply
#4	Kehs March 19, 2009 at 6:57pm Good call. Too bad OSU. reply
#3	Anonymous Coward March 19, 2009 at 6:34pm he's obviously pulling him out of bounds and pulling his leg out, where is the "questionableness" here reply
#2	Gary DeRaad March 19, 2009 at 6:30pm OSU has been fleeing the mat forever, they are, and have always been a skilled but poorly conditioned and not very aggressive team. They always run rather than turn and fight a takedown. reply
#1	MAJOR OSU FAN March 19, 2009 at 6:29pm BULL$^&*!!!!!!! reply

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Questionable Call

December 19, 2010

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