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my guess is there is no way in hell zimmer will let cook leave without paying the price. we all know how he went after rodriguez when he left. seems zimmer has no problem playing bully to kids and grownups alike. he doesnt care whats best for the kids. hes in it for himself and his own kid”
I agree 100%. We saw this issue with the coach and the parent oversight committee's [sic] and got the heck out of Dodge before it was too late.
Snap told my son not to wrestle for Tirapelli. ST did not recomend him for clovis east head job. This was when he was at Clark. Snap said don't do Clovis tournaments or camps. I told Mamen. Tirapelli complained to Steel and Rogers. They told Snap to support the high school team or resign. He resigns. Told my frend he's going to get Tirapelli fired. My son hated Snap as coach cause he said my son wasnt as good as the wrestlers from Alta and Kasner. Tirapelli made my son believe he could beat those guys. He got a medal at state and beat those guys. I'm glad no one has hired Snap to wreck more others..
All of you guys need to spend less time on here and more time learning how to construct a sentence. I feel like this page was the attack of the run on sentence. I am not sure what your coach aks of you, but he should be monitoring your english class attendence. If not that then take the time to read your post before you hit enter.
because Fresno Unified don't care about the kids if they are doing well in Athletics and Academics!! Just care if they show up for row call that way the state gives them a bigger check with a higher head count!!
clovis schools at all levels have advantages over other school districts. organized elementary and jr. high programs allow the kids more opportunities at earlier ages than our fresno schools. the boys from good jr. high programs should at least develop into good wrestlers in high school if they get good coaching. some of the clovis schools have two or three teams. we don't see that kind numbers in any of the fresno or outlying schools.
I will have yo disagree with you Jim on one point. A good middle school program does NOT always equal a good High school program. The High School Coaches still have to evolve talent. A bad middle school program can be overcome by excellent High School coaching, I have witnessed this first hand and I'm not talking about Central valley here. Just my opinion.
I am part of the staff here at Clark Intermediate. My conversations were in-depth with those that I mentioned. This took place starting in the Spring, it went through the Summer, and on into the Fall. Dr. Rogers was basically livid that Chad resigned, and even more livid because none of the administrators or myself could convince him to reconsider his decision. There would be no reason for her to get that ticked off if they were going to fire Chad. Another point for you to ponder is this: Why did Mr. Mammen and Mr. Steele not try to get another coach to take over the program? They told me that they were sure that eventually Chad would reconsider and come back to coach. Finally at the last minute, it came down to two of the high school coaches having to take over the coaching duties. Whether Clovis high is doing better has nothing to do with Chad. His former wrestlers are doing pretty good though, and that is where he contributed to their middle school wrestling expierences. Most people would look at this as an obvious connection. A good middle school program equals a good high school program. Your mind is already made up though, so I'll just let other people evaluate the situation.
your not even part of the program! maybe your on a need to know basis an they gave you what you needed to know, that Snapp would be resigning. is that beyond belief? lots of people resign behind closed doors. Riley resigned and took another coach job the same year! either way, he isn't coaching now and chs is doing much better without him.
Yes Jim, Exactly, we do have an understanding. I understand why and where you where coming from, we all respected the others perspective. Worth the 4 plus hours!!
Robert, I am not sure what you mean by "understanding", but I felt we all had the opportunity to air out our individual perspectives. I understood where you and the other gentleman were coming from, and I hope you understood why and where I was coming from. BTW, I didn't just have a few conversations about Chad's resignation, I had multiple conversations with those 3 administrators.
maybe your Not as inside as you think. yes,'Officially' he resigned. like I said, call it whatever you want. his tour of duty had come to a close, thanksfully.
Yes Jim, Scott Stelle did tell us that Chad Resigned. I was one of those parents at that meeting...4 and a half hours later I thought that you and I had come to an understanding. Thanks for the time.
joe, the wrestling parent is correct. I also spoke to Bobby Mammen, Scott Steele, and Dr. Cheryl Rogers last year. They all were disappointed in Chad's decision to resign. I am pretty sure that those administrators were not lying to me any more than they lied to the wrestling parent. There would be no need for them to do that, it woiuld be just as easy to say, "Chad isn't a good fit for this school, so we are going to move on without him." I personally did everything in my power to try to convince Chad to reconsider his resignation, but he wouldn't change his mind. For you to continue to insist that he was forced out is stupid. Two prominent CHS wrestling parents met with me awhile back and at that rime, Scott Steele told them that Chad Snapp had indeed resigned. NOT fired. Either way, he isn't coaching now, so you should be very happy.
This was on the Clovis Practice forum. I think it answere your questions about homegrown kids that Snapp coached. Not too shabby!
Clark kids that are now wrestling Varsity at Clovis HS. Tyler Ceremello, Cameren Kelley, Ben Omata, Jonathan Gay, Ben Kelley, Vincent Rubio (Lemoore) Jeremy Simons, Alec Dieter, Tommy Burriel, Brandon Ferrera, Scott Sakaguchi, and Stephen Weimer just to name a few. If memory serves me right, those kids have been on very good teams, including the last State Championship team.
wrestling parent, admins are going to tell you what they have to tell you. again, im saying you dont know what your talking about. your not lying, you just dont know all the facts. snapp was relieved of his position, much to the benefit of chs. sense hes been gone, the program has improved dramaticaly. thats why hes onn here hating.
on your stats that you posted about the homegrown, I have a question for you! Why WEREN'T you producing the homegrown Jr High Kids when you were coaching all those years AT Clark Jr High??!!! You obviously did NOT do a good JOB a getting those Jr High Kids Ready for High School!! Now that you're not coaching Clark they seem to be getting better!!! Good JOB Chad Snapp!!
on your stats that you posted about the homegrown, I have a question for you! Why WEREN'T you producing the homegrown Jr High Kids when you were coaching all those years AT Clark Jr High??!!! You obviously did NOT do a good JOB a getting those Jr High Kids Ready for High School!! Now that you're not coaching Clark they seem to be getting better!!! Good JOB Chad Snapp!!
on your stats that you posted about the homegrown, I have a question for you! Why WEREN'T you producing the homegrown Jr High Kids when you were coaching all those years AT Clark Jr High??!!! You obviously did NOT do a good JOB a getting those Jr High Kids Ready for High School!! Now that you're not coaching Clark they seem to be getting better!!! Good JOB Chad Snapp!!
Now that I have seen that my name has come up I will post. I have not written on Flo or the other forum since May 5th, in fact there was three weeks I was not even on my computer due to being busy with family IE: Wedding,pool construction and tending to my mother. Look for someone else to blame. I do get a kick out of ceremental....that is funny. This is what TCW would be like without moderators.
Clovis West has had only 2 coaches in the past 8-10 years. Zimmerman was there before and after Roberts. Buchanan's AD coached before Riley, and Riley tried to get out 2 years ago for family reasons. Comacho went up to FCC and won the state title for them, but he too got out of coaching for family reasons. Don't know why McKinney got out of East, but I think Lake will be around for awhile. In any case, most of these programs are pretty strong and seem to be getting better.
I have been in the Clovis are for many years. Since I have been here CW has had 3 coaches,Ce has had 3,Buchanan2 and Clovis still has the same coach. These changes are all because of Steve??? I think not. Clovis High seems to be the only school with coaching stability.
I have been in the Clovis are for many years. Since I have been here CW has had 3 coaches,Ce has had 3,Buchanan2 and Clovis still has the same coach. These changes are all because of Steve??? I think not. Clovis High seems to be the only school with coaching stability.
eigeman if they go somewhere else because they are not happy than the school they move to recruited them ....right. That is how it works. No matter what the reason for leaving one school to go to another it is all about being recruited. Unless the school they got to is not a state contender. Than it is all good!!
I am sorry that your friend had a bad expierence, but I am only commenting on the results of the state tournament. Below is my other post. It was directed to three other people. I also had to explain it to someone else that wasn't capable of figuring it out. Not much in there to offend you either, but if it does, I apologize.
jealous much? You sound like a broken record . lol "the best, the best, the best," ad nauseum. Statistics just show the facts. There isn't anything wrong with showing stats, as long as there are no accusations of wrongdoing. People should appreciate this valuable information. It just shows that wrestling for Clovis Schools is beneficial to those who choose to take that big step. -- more math, most coaches who have talented sons and daughters have some obvious advantages over most other athletes. If they are also very gifted and focused, then you have a gold mine that is hard to beat. I don't see how the statistics has "proven" anyone to be phony. It just proves that talented kids get good coaching whether they are originally from Clovis or elsewhere. Clovis actually got a great plug from it. Accept the kudos and move on. -- yeah, I think you are just a Zimmer hater. Clovis West has had great success under his leadership, and they placed high in the state because of it.
not the post i was referring to. and NOT affiliated with anyone. just good friends with one of the wrestlers he screwed over his first go'round as head coach as CW.
Below is my post. What "people skills" do you find offensive in it? Sorry, but you have the wrong person in mind. I am only a wrestling fan that is somewhat acquainted with coach Zimmer as well as a number of other coaches in the area. if you are so unhappy with him, why don't you find another program to affiliate yourself with.
"Zimmer and Cook place 2nd, and with Fisher placing 3rd, it gave CW enough points to place 7th in state. 5 of the top 10 teams were from the central valley. I do consider that great success considering the toughness of the tournament. Just because you don't like coach Zimmer is no reason for you to argue with me about the man. The results are in, and CW placed higher than about 800 other teams and below only 6 better teams."
"Oh brother" must have learned his people skills from zimmer. no doubt you're the round guy that follows him around. No wonder their kids think they are such a joke. They have no coaches, but at least they have eachother.
Mr. joe, It seems that you are calling me a liar. If that is the case, then Mr. Steel and Mr. Mammon are also liars, because they confirmed to me over a year ago that Coach Snapp had not been fired but instead chose to resign for personal reasons. They were adamant that at the time they were still hoping that Coach would change his mind and coach wrestling another season. Like I said, all you have to do to confirm this is to call the administrators at Clark.
I just know his intentions as do many around this area. To "discredit Steve" the only thing is instead of Steve it gets directed at the kids or Clovis.
Your a duma$$ in every way. I did not say he went all the to Disneyland to get on a computer, I said they have computers there when you said "He was in disneyland". That was your defense of Pearce...DUMBA$$....another DUMBA$$ statement from you.
wrestling parent, like most wrestling parents you know far less than what you think you know. Snapp was relieved of his coaching duties....call it fired, retired, permanent leave of absence, or whatever you like.
No this is great. Clovis people are realizing how many people truly hate them. Be a champion all day, but be a humble champion and support others when you aren't champions. Clovis doesn't understand that. They are about being the first to call someone else a cheater when they win, but the first to pat themselves on the back when they win.
This is ridiculous. My son wrestled for Coach Snapp. When coach resigned, I went to Coach Mammon the Director of Athletics and to Mr. Steel the Principal and asked them about why Coach Snapp was leaving the Clark wrestling program. Both of them told me that they were doing everything in their power to try to convince him to coach another year. I know for sure that he wasn't fired. If you don't believe me, just call them at Clark and ask them your self. They have nothing to hide and no reason to lie about it.
4sure, are you also saying that my name is Snap? You guys must have some kind of kinky hate fetish for him. I can just see you guys dancing around yelling evil incantations and sticking pins into a Snap voodoo doll. You must be haters from Haiti.
Yes, because I said so. What do you have against that guy anyway? He must have kicked your butt once. Because I don't really care who you are, I won't ask, but if you are going to use someones name to falsly accuse them of something, you should at least have the guts to post your own name. I guess you won't be apologizing to the guy after all.
My name isn't Snapp. I made a silly mistake. I saw the lineup with those names that I mentioned. I thought they were last names of some new kids. I just went back to see it, and saw that the list was in reference to middle schools. I never heard of them before, and made the mistake of assuming that they were surnames of the kids. My bad. So you see, you jumped to the wrong conclusion and blamed some innocent person for "starting $hit". If you have any pride, you should apologize to that person as soon as possible.
I thought that the Barbo brothers were going to be wreestling at 215 and Hwt. for Clovis next year. I've never heard of Buckley and El Gablian, are they new to the school?
Zimmer and Cook place 2nd, and with Fisher placing 3rd, it gave CW enough points to place 7th in state. 5 of the top 10 teams were from the central valley. I do consider that great success considering the toughness of the tournament. Just because you don't like coach Zimmer is no reason for you to argue with me about the man. The results are in, and CW placed higher than about 800 other teams and below only 6 better teams.
oh brother, gimme a break
you stated in an earlier post that the kids of CW had great success under zimmer and placed high at state. Who exactly did he coach? CW took the exact same amount of kids to state last year and which one was other than his son did he teach anything to that they didn't already no? Those boys would of gone to state under any coach, with or without zimmer.
jealous much, pay closer attention. Let me explain what is PRICELESS. I addressed 3 posts. YOURS, more math, and "yeah". "Yeah" was the last one that referred to Coach Zimmer. Read it again genius. For your information, I did not spout any numbers. Not only are you a broken record, but you rashly jumped to stupid conclusions. You made several easily researched mistakes in your rush to critique me. Do your research, and think twice before you make a fool of yourself again. Talk about paranoid. lol hahaha PRICELESS ! ! !
Hey oh brother, what are you talking about?? Spout all the numbers you want,it makes no difference what they are, the fact is people want to go to Clovis and those who do go there seem happy enough. How you pulled a Zimmer hater out of what I said I will never know. You see "crappy coach" and assume I mean him. That's priceless! Paranoid much?!!
Show ust the 78% thamade up.
From 1998-2001 ('98 was coach T's first season):
12 state medals - 4 years (3 medals/year)
12 "clovis" medals
*i tend to label the coach's son a "homegrown" medal
From 2002-2008:
31 state medals - 7 years (4.4 medals/year)
14 "clovis" medals
7 moved after Jr high
6 moved after attending another hs (4 were hs in clovis unified)
4 moved after being state contestants
You statistical types are comical. Your individual versions of the stats do entertain all of us. Keep it coming, before you know it, we will have more stats than everyone else in the state all put together. I think you guys are trying hard to convince yourselves more than you are trying to convince the rest of us.
From 1998-2001 ('98 was coach T's first season):
12 state medals - 4 years (3 medals/year)
12 "clovis" medals
*i tend to label the coach's son a "homegrown" medal
From 2002-2008:
31 state medals - 7 years (4.4 medals/year)
14 "clovis" medals
7 moved after Jr high
6 moved after attending another hs (4 were hs in clovis unified)
4 moved after being state contestants
verdict = lots of success no matter how you slice it...Snapp
I didn't see the sarcasm or mockery, but I guess it depends on your individual perspectives. Just like the political statistics that we are inundated with day after day, and night after night, the statistics that are spoonfed to us are utilized for the benefit of the political parties that do the research. Independant and neutral polsters are hard to find. hahahaha
would be 5th in OH, Clovis that is, come to the Iron Man, Brecksville, Medina, Top Gun, no one in OH is jelous, more questioning how good they really are
jealous much? You sound like a broken record . lol "the best, the best, the best," ad nauseum. Statistics just show the facts. There isn't anything wrong with showing stats, as long as there are no accusations of wrongdoing. People should appreciate this valuable information. It just shows that wrestling for Clovis Schools is beneficial to those who choose to take that big step. -- more math, most coaches who have talented sons and daughters have some obvious advantages over most other athletes. If they are also very gifted and focused, then you have a gold mine that is hard to beat. I don't see how the statistics has "proven" anyone to be phony. It just proves that talented kids get good coaching whether they are originally from Clovis or elsewhere. Clovis actually got a great plug from it. Accept the kudos and move on. -- yeah, I think you are just a Zimmer hater. Clovis West has had great success under his leadership, and they placed high in the state because of it.
Why is it unbelieveable that the C. North coaches were once coaching at CW? Why shouldn't they want to take advantage of getting coaching and teaching jobs in a brand new school? Good luck to them and their teams.
100% of Coach T's 3 boys were in the state finals 3 times. 8 championships. 1 coach. yes, people move into clovis. they move into a lot of areas. the difference is, what clovis does with them AFTER they move into the program. nice analysis. i'm sure people won't respect Coach T or the Clovis program any longer now that you've "proven" him to be a phony.....get a life Chad, move on.
Unbelievable??? As long as moves are full-family and within the CIF guidelines it's no business of ours how they got there - OR WHY. And shame on all of you for trying to turn this into something ugly. Being a competitive athelete means wanting the best competition, the best workout partners, the best coaching. Why shouldn't a family whose child has great potentional want to do everything in their power to help that child live up to that potential. For some kids their sport is the only chance they may have at attending college. And if they are in a crappy situation through no fault of their own, whether that mean a crappy coach or limited program resources then good for them for trying to do what they can to provide their child with great opportunity. And so what if Clovis sits back and soaks it all in. Are you telling me any one of you would REJECT a great kid because they moved into your district. WHAT A JOKE. HAHAHAHAHAHAAA
Guilty of benefitting from transfers as well. I don't care if they move in, but I am surprised at the percentage of non Clovis originals. It makes one speculate as to why they have to depend on the kids that move in.
28 Medals: 20T - 8C; 71% Transfers / 29% Clovis
***Apply the three medals on an enter-district transfer to Clovis: 17T - 11C; 61% Transfer / 39% Clovis
The greatest contributing factor to an outward appearance of success is Multiple State Place Winners. In these years: 8 Multiple SPW; 7T - 1C; 87% Transfer / 13% Clovis: 17 Medals; 88% Transfers / 12% Clovis
These are not distorted numbers. YOU BE THE JUDGE!
This is a breakdown of Coach T's Move-In & Transfer vs. Home Grown State place winners over the last seven seasons. You can view the individual student athletes at http://www.cloviswrestling.com
For this analysis the Coach's son is excluded. Technically he is a transfer, but is a justified transfer. Analysis Excludes Tirapelle:
SPW=State Place Winners T=Transfer-Move In C=Clovis-Home Grown
2002: 2 SPW; 2T - 0C; 100% Transfer / 0% Clovis
2003: 6 SPW; 5T - 1C; 83% Transfer / 17% Clovis ***One Transfer could be Considered Clovis, Residence Clovis East Area, Boundary Change
2004: 3 SPW; 3T - 0C; 100% Transfer / 0% Clovis ***One Transfer could be Considered Clovis, Residence Clovis East Area, Moved
2005: 1 SPW; 1T - 0C; 100% Transfer / 0% Clovis
2006: 4 SPW; 2T - 2C; 50% Transfer / 50% Clovis ***One Transfer could be Considered Clovis, Residence Clovis East Area, Moved
2007: 5 SPW; 3T - 2C; 60% Transfer / 40% Clovis
2008: 7 SPW; 4T - 3C; 57% Transfer / 43% Clovis
Didnt he live in bhs, but went to school cw, then family got into it with cw coach, then rented a house out at chs. Also d. Lindsey is his uncle! Its who u know not who u sleep with!
285 didn't even come to clovis high to wrestle! Did you not read his profile in the fresno bee!!Also the 103 was at clovis feeder transfered to kastner went to clovis west and back to to clovis!!
4 of the 6 placers from Clovis Highs State Championship team were transfers. You would think that a school with the tradition, feeder schools system and such a great head coach would be able to do more with their own talent. Now they get a high profile transfer to fill holes.
4 of the 6 placers from Clovis Highs State Championship team were transfers. You would think that a school with the tradition, feeder schools system and such a great head coach would be able to do more with their own talent. Now they get a high profile transfer to fill holes.
found this on the forum. simple math tells us exaggeration may be the word of the day.
Middle Schools for clovis starting wrestlers
103 - Kastner
112 - Alta Sierra
119 - Clark
125 - Clark
130 - Clark
135 - Clark
140 - Clark
145 - Clark
152 - Clark
160 - Clark
171 - Clark
189 - Clark
215 - Buckley (moved to Clovis from Porterville area in 8th grade)
285 - El Gablian (moved to Clovis from Salinas area in May of 9th grade)
We're all tired of the recruiting. But worse is the arrogance that goes along with it. A good coach could take the kids in his own school district and make a championship team. A cheap coach just steals what he needs from other teams. We all know how Clovis wants to be known!
How do you know who I'm listening to or not? It's funny how all the Clovis parents want to place blame on coaches who have a problem with Tirapelle and not give us any credit for having eyes that see what is going on. Obviously the Clovis coaches are smart enough to make sure you can't prove the kids are recruits, they just transfer of their own free will, right? Give me a break. Don't be so obvious and people won't talk at all.
Take 10 to 20 points off of the Clovis score and give Buchanan and other schools some of those points, and Clovis might be fifth of sixth. Other schools move up, and the top six or seven teams end up in different places at state.
you don't even know what your talking about!! you;re just listening to the coaches that have a problem with Tirapelle!! They feed you all this non sense of recruiting! I would like to tell those coaches to prove that half the team is recruits and prove they were recruited!!!
Everyone cares. By recruiting from other teams, you are taking talent off those teams and putting it on your own, giving yourself an unfair advantage on every level. It makes me sick to see all the hard work that goes into a wrestler only to see them transfer to a team like Clovis only for the glory of a state championship. Clovis high is like a snake in the grass, slithering around trying to recruit your wrestlers. Why don't you try winning a state championship with the kids you have instead of recruiting? Over half the team is recruits or transfers. That's something to be proud of.
Who cares if wrestlers want to come to clovis or parents want to transfer their kids to clovis, its up to them even if they are recruited, look at poway, Bakersfield, calvery chapel, clovis unified will accept any wrestler.
You Still Can't Be Serious ? May 25, 2008 at 6:44pm
go recruit a really talented wrestling coach that can both coach and inspire kids. there are a number of good ones out there, that program could soar if they reinstated it, but not with a guy that has retired. deliddo did great in keeping the program alive, but it wasn't necessarily a very healthy or successful program was it?
first of all DD retired. second, he did a crappy job monitoring the athletes grades, third, he pissed off the whole administration by criticizing them from top to bottom. fourth, i never met a FSU wrestler that said that they learned a thing from him. most wrestlers that i met told me that their high school coaches were much better. that says alot. fifth, much like fourth, he cant coach technique for beans, and he is a very negative person as a coach. if you want to bring wrestling back, bring in a really, really good coach. look at all the local talent chose to leave for greener pastures. there was good reason for that.
video fanski, I think that you are right. All of the other schools have got a lot of catching up to do. these videos are very well done and have a lot to say about the benefits of the Clovis wrestling program.
video fanski, I think that you are right. All of the other schools have got a lot of catching up to do. these videos are very well done and have a lot to say about the benefits of the Clovis wrestling program.
With all of the videos being put out by Clovis, it looks like the real world of central valley wrestling sit-com has already got a headstart. The other Clovis schools are waaaaaaaaaaaay behind now.
They should make a real world central valley wrestling it sounds like you guys are discussing a soap opera our something. I also hope most of the people posting on here are kids. Because WoW. Its getting a little low brow.
IT'S FREAKIN HIGH SCHOOL WRESTLING PEOPLE! EVERYONE PLEASE! ALL THIS IS A FREAKIN JOKE! YOU GUYS YAP AND YAP AND YAP AS IF THIS IS SOME FREAKING D-1 COLLEGE!!! SNAP OUT OF IT! If anything we should be talking about the competitiveness the central valley has given this rest of the entire state. And I'm talking the valley as a whole, not just Clovis Unified or Selma, but everyone else here.
It will be interesting to see what will happen. I think it all depends on Coach Cook, and if he is interested in coaching football at Clovis High. I can see CHS trying to get him to jump ship at CW and bring his son over to compete in two sports for the cougars.
cusd employee you are an idiot yourself ,no one has made refrence to this cook kid being the answer to clovis highs success.many people simply would say it's the norm to get a guy who will put you over the top at the finish line.cusd employtee stop licking zimmers balls and lock yourself back up in your cage and shut up
I agree with you CUSD! Really would be much easier on him to stay. I am sure it is a difficult choice for the Cook's. If they don't want to be there, would be tough to stay. Lets just sit back and see what happens. speculations get you nowhere!
Man I can't believe how much everybody is drooling over this Cook kid like he in the "Answer" to CHS's success. Until the report is confirmed, why speculate? Besides, let's remember he is just a kid and this is just High Scool. Dam I'm sure all this Cook A$$ kissing is blowing his little 15 year old head up, and besides none of the reports have been confirmed and if you ask CWHS he has not told anybody there that he is transfering. And if the kid likes foootball why would he got to Clovis High, He might as well go to Fresno High they are better at Football. Cook if you read this "Stay at CWHS and represent Eagle Wrestling if anything to prove all these forum speakers wrong". Go Zimmmmmmmmmer!
If Steve Tirepeli cared about the kids on his team half as much as his own kids, than we wouldn't be talking. It's not fair to compare his own kids to the rest of the team. The rest of the team gets the shaft most of the time. Why doesn't he participate in freestyle? Why doesn't he send his team to Naionals? They had a championship team and his seniors had to pay there own way to Senior naionals? That's really sad. Didn't his kids go though? That's what I thought.
Buchanan was hated a few years ago when they were on top. There were so many people talking about how they were recruiting. There were so many people watching every move they made. They had to put up with a lot of stuff. But most of that came from the Clovis High School team. It was talked about a lot on the other site. T-shirts made, coaches threatening, booing every kid, fighting between the parents, t-shirts made for wrestling rooms, coaches fighting with each other. It was horrible. I guess it's true, you reap what you sow. Get used to it, you did it to them now it's your turn to deal with everything that goes along with being champions.
i guess that would be how the clovis schools keep justifying all the new kids on there teams. just call someone an idiot and it must be true plus it makes all the recruiting issues magically disappear. thank you for reminding me why everyone thinks clovis schools are a joke.
since your an expert, you look at the stats!!! when Buchanan won there state championship, most of them were recruits from different teams. same thing with clovis. prove me wrong.
i'd bet the farm on it. i'm talking about birth to now raised in clovis, not that moved to clovis right before my 8th grade year so we don't raise suspicion. Or the other one, my big brother wanted to go to clovis so now i'm here too. many of the champions coming out of clovis schools are recruited from some other place. prove me wrong.
guess what- If that happened Clovis would go crash and burn!!! but no one would complain cuz every kid would transfer to their schools then its O.K. The OLD Double Standard...!!!
eric_x was a WAC Champion at fresno state....how many other coaches in the valley can say they were a DI starter and conference champ? I'll hlep you...not many.
No one will ever know just how the boys from Buchanan and Clovis West would have done if they had stayed at their former schools. Any way you look at it, their loss from the former schools and addition to their new school had a significant pro and con impacts on all 3 teams.
yea... why doesn't Mrs T get any love??? She really is the problem... created these monsters of wrestlers!!!... really think about it.. three boys from one family... 8 State Individual Championships!!! One NCAA National Champion.. All Americans... hello................. wake up!!!
...and if it weren't for the immaculate conception and those 3 Tirapelli boys magically popping out of Mrs. T's womb with headgear on ready wrestle at a state championship level, Coach T wouldn't have coached any good kids at all. LOL
THIS JUST IN...Are you stupid??????????????????? Hard work of other coaches???????? ha ha ha ha ha ha.!!!!!! Your kidding right!!! Clovis coaches put more work into those kids in 3 months than they received in their prior year!!! They would have not WON SQUAT without them!! pull your head out!!! Remember the best is always hated!! Buchanan was hated a few years ago when they were on the top.. no Clovis is hated because they are on the top.. Clovis North is loved because quite honestly.. AT THIS POINT.. they are no THREAT to anyone.. When that program is on top,, they will be hated... just how people are.. hate the great ones!! You are the people that sit on the bottom and hate the one's on top.. my recommendation: get up .. start working like these kids (or have your kids)and you to might end up on top!!!...Are your coaches spending 6 days a week with you/or your kids?? oh and BTW.. Eric .. is all Blue & Gold and giving a ton of time to these boys!!!
Clovis high still recruits. If it weren't for the hard work done by other coaches they wouldn't be squat. And they know it. If Cook goes to Clovis high he'll be the most hated wrestler in the central section. Steve is already the most hated coach. It's only fitting he and Cook are together.
wrestled for coach zimmer back in the day when buffaloes roamed he was always v ery timid and quiet never said much of anything and cant say that he made a personal impact upon my wrestling he was always a quiet behind the scene guy who never said much cant imagine him any diffrent
Alot of the nay-sayers are friends that he burned.All this crap is from the inside.If you took a poll right now his parents would get rid of him. And the ones that support him now have carrots dangling in front of them.If the young ones are smart they will leave.As far as im concerned those kids do not belong to him.But yet he continues to talk about loyalty.The man does not know what that word means.He burned wrestlers,parents and coaches that were loyal.
Keep up the good work Clovis!, Clovis West!, Buchanan!, Clovis East! and Clovis North! All of these programs, wrestlers, and coaches have done a fine job producing great wrestlers and instilling values and work ethics that will benefit the kids they coach for the rest of their life. Zimmer keep it up! Don't let nay-sayers get you down!
It's too bad when people are okay with all the recruiting that goes on behind the scenes. Clovis schools are known for recruiting and less then honorable behavior. I guess it's ok as long as you don't get caught. Congratulations to Clovis High for finding ways to hide it and get away with it. You must deserve a state trophy.
I can't see Zimmer letting Cook leave either. I don't know anything about the bullying but I know people aren't happy with him and Cook leaving will bring negative attention.
my guess is there is no way in hell zimmer will let cook leave without paying the price. we all know how he went after rodriguez when he left. seems zimmer has no problem playing bully to kids and grownups alike. he doesnt care whats best for the kids. hes in it for himself and his own kid
Zimmer is doing a great job.We hope he stays there for years to come.Maybe more kids that were trained by other coaches will leave.But as soon as the kids that he has trained want out we will try to get rid of him.Hahahahahahah
Who will win the tug-of-war for Cook? This could be a great opportunity for a bookie. He could take odds on whether Cookie stayed at C.West or went over to Clovis H.S.
Cdub... the only one that really knows what Cook is doing is Cook.. or maybe you coming from CW?.. I would think it is a family decision and really none of anyone's business!
from what I was told Coach Zimmer changes his mind if you are a threat to his son. That did come out of his wrestling room. So no one will know until the season! We can only pray that he will not last. God does answer prays! Just have faith.
u all suck call me and i'll tell you how bad i think you suck. i hate clovis and selma. ur football teams suck. all ur gurls are ugly. and no 1 likes ne of you. call me 559-490-0132. i'm a kid making trouble, so?
We haven't even done anything wrong. We aren't defending ourselves. We are just sick of the haters and the whiners talking crap about stuff they don't know anything about. If kids come to our room and want to be part of something special it's not our fault. Everyone is welcome.
You guys are too much. Everyone wants to jump on here and attack Clovis - a team which has every right and reason to be very proud - and then when they try to defend themselves - which they should - you accuse them of tooting thier own horn. The guys can't win.
No wonder this sport is dying, we're too busy about tearing eachother down to even think about uniting for a common cause.
Not everyone is foolish enough to post their phone number coach. So far you are the only one dumb enough to do that. crossface-man, you are so right. I don't see Buchanon, Clovis North, Clovis East, or Clovis West tooting their horns. Even Selma can't keep up with these braggarts.
Maybe people are upset because you are tooting your own horn so loudly they are tired of hearing it. Have any of you heard of being humble? Obviously not. I still say you guys are funny. The paranoid delusion that everyone is out to get you is comical. You came on here to put your name and phone number so people could call you. Well, if you think you know exactly who is saying what then call them. Stop airing it out on flowrestling. It makes you just as entertaining as they have been. Mr. Assistant coach you just stooped to the level you are so angry about them doing.
Hey LeGaretta if this isn't a recruiting brochure, I don't know what is.
"Also, don't be upset because the Tirapelli Family is honest and will tell you how it is!! The Truth hurts those who can't deal with it!! Steve Tirapelli has coached 3 of his sons to become State Champs more than once so, obviously he's doing things right!! Adam Tirapelli is a National Champion & 3X All-American and it's an Honor to coach, wrestle with or for him!! For this reason I, our kids and the rest of our coaching staff do a great job in the wrestling room! We have a High percentage of kids that wrestle in college. This year all 4 of our seniors will be wrestling in college! Because, our coaching staff does not exceed our limits in bringing new techniques that work to the wrestling room! I proud of what my high school coaches did for me but never took me to the next level!! At Clovis High we take you to the next Level!!"
eric, congratulations on the 3 longest consecutive emails. you should get a raise in pay from the school. if you are not actually working at the school, you should become a used car salesman, you were great. if i were a kid or parent shopping around for another school to wrestle for, i would call you up as soon as possible. if you respect all programs, you also need to respect the hard working coaches that work hard to develop their kids, and then occasionally lose them.
What gets me it that there are a lot of Adults writing this bad stuff and being childish!!! There are only a few respectful enough to put their real names!! Also, the funny thing is these coaches and parent are two faced when they probably talk to me in my face and are being friendly then turn around and talk Crap about the program I coach for!! They should just speak their minds to my face instead of Fontin like they do on this form!! These Adults have ruined a good thing about promoting wrestling in the Central Valley and helping in getting Fresno State Wrestling back! But, Hey they ratter Bash and put down teams that are doing successful! We here at Clovis High are NOT intimidated by any Team!! We love the competion from Selma or any other high school in the state! It thrives our kids to work harder and when they win it makes it even better! So Good Luck to Selma and all high schools in CA at the State next year!!!
If you have anything negative to say about this or to me Please I encourage you to give me a call 559-213-2912
Also, don't be upset because the Tirapelli Family is honest and will tell you how it is!! The Truth hurts those who can't deal with it!! Steve Tirapelli has coached 3 of his sons to become State Champs more than once so, obviously he's doing things right!! Adam Tirapelli is a National Champion & 3X All-American and it's an Honor to coach, wrestle with or for him!! For this reason I, our kids and the rest of our coaching staff do a great job in the wrestling room! We have a High percentage of kids that wrestle in college. This year all 4 of our seniors will be wrestling in college! Because, our coaching staff does not exceed our limits in bringing new techniques that work to the wrestling room! I proud of what my high school coaches did for me but never took me to the next level!! At Clovis High we take you to the next Level!!
Hello everyone! This is Eric LeGarreta and I am of Hispanic descent.(to inform those of their racial comments!) Also, I'm a Assistant Wrestling Coach at Clovis High School.(Now on my 8th season) We have an excellent program here and every year us coaches try to make it better! We have a great coaching staff and none of our coaches recruit any kids outside of our Feeder Programs! I wrestled for Selma High and had one of the best teams ever in 1989, winning which is now the Valley/Masters! We should of won State but failed do to so do to lack of preparation! At Clovis High, coaching under Steve and Adam Tirapelli I've learned how to prepare our kids to win these post season meets leading up to the State Tournament! So, don't be upset because our system works and we produce kids that win!
Buchanan your funny. If we listen to your reasoning Buchanan won a state title because they recruited the Bogers. No other reason. And then the whole team fell apart and the coaches got fired because the Bogers left. I've known the Bogers since they were little kids wrestling freestyle. There good but not that good.
buchanan, can you say Gambril, McAlester, Sanchez, Zamora? 4 out of 7 state placers were transfers. Take them out of the equation, and what would have been the outcome at the state tournament? Gilroy would have been the champions. The top five or six teams would have placed much differently.
Buchanan folded because they lost one of their transfers,Josh Boger, but than they won their title beause of a transfer also, Matt Boger, ohhh ya and their coaches HELPED the Bogers move and locate a place to live. That is not recruiting is it. What does not kill you makes you stronger, haters hate all you want it just fuels their fire. I'm sure they will be thanking you for that little extra boost.
armdrag_x, that's one of most intelligent posts on here yet. all I'm hearing are innuendos and justification. Clovis haters talking smack and Clovis fans not shutting up about how good they are and why everyone wants to be them. I like says he's becoming a fan of Clovis, but is probably a parent fan or wrestler of Clovis. Your right is obviously Ceremello, same writing style and temper as the other forum. This is too funny. I'm from the southern section and I thought we had problems. But you guys get the Hatfield and McCoy award for keeping this fight going way longer than it should. Central section has a lot of talent. If you could get along and work together and stop fighting, you could easily take over as the most dominant section in the state. It really seems like who is right and who is wrong is way more important than wrestling. You are entertaining to say the least.
I thought this sport was about the kids! If a student needs to leave and does not want to stay at school for what ever reason, it is not our buisness. Yes, Clovis High does have a great program and will continue to be the best. No need to bad mouth them for their hard work. I wish our program would work this hard. Let this stuff end! You should take this info and push your coach's to have that winning edge.
I'm just guessing that the Cougars are going to buckle under the pressure of being state champions just like Buchanan did. There is too much hatred toward them. Too many people are actively trying to bring them down a peg or two. I'd also guess after reading these posts, that most of you are either really bored, or kids stirring up trouble. I don't want to think that any adults would want to be so lame.
madhu. So true-------what? you are a complete idiot. Your right, your right===most the time. armdragx your clueless. que paso different name same game Clovis will probably win in 09 parents will move their kids people willhate and mockers of god will have to meet their maker selmas kids should be allowed to wrestlein clovis their coaches should stay home coaches should not beable to post as much crap as clovis is getting im becoming a fanof clovis
The people that mindlessly defend Clovis must be brainwashed or just obsessed with their holy righteousness. They are undoubtedly also the recent transfers, and just trying to justify their moves. Fine, so be it, but do we have to hear about it all of the time? It's as if you are compelled to say how great life in Clovis is, but at the same time you blast anyone else who disagrees with you. Your posts are nothing more than "come join us" propaganda.
Did you really just say meet your maker? I get a kick out of how serious this has gotten. CUSD is the laughing stock of the state. Too many threats, too many excuses, too much shady stuff going on. But mostly so many people taking this so serious like you can't live because someone said something you didn't like. You central section guys are weak. You cry like little girls when you don't get your way. "Meet your maker", I don't care who you are that's funny right there. Everyone is laughing at this fight. It's like two chicks in a hair pulling contest. Selma vs Clovis. ha ha ha
Every one needs to get a life. I'm sure you all have something more to do than pick on Clovis High. We knew we were going to be criticised but this is above and beyond. I'm more excited about being part of this team than ever. Clovis High welcomes all kids who want to better themselves and work hard for that 9 in 09. It is a reality. We will be successful. Get used to it. We're here to stay.
So penalize a KID one year for wanting to better himself. Next time you want to change jobs I would like for you to take a year off without pay to be eligible for that job. If you are willing to do this than you can complain about kids loosing a year all you want. That is a stupid rule. Who is getting penalized here?????? The KIDS plain and simple.
quepaso..I would be careful who you are mocking here....you will meet your maker someday!!
Clovis you are awesome! keep it up. 100 years from now they will remember the dynasty you are building now. No one will remember the cynics and naysayers. Everyone has an excuse why they cant win a state championship...but no one has an excuse why they won a state championship. Its real easy to have excuses and real hard to win state titles in a state like California. Clovis is for a different breed of winners. Success breeds success.
FYI only one kid was declared ineligible, but only for preseason. Are YOU kidding ME? That's like saying I didn't do it, well except that one time, and that didn't count.
This back and forth arguement wouldn't be taking place if the ATHLETES that moved, hadn't been ruled eligible. It MADE all the difference in winning a state championship trophy. "Come and go as they please." Get real.
WOW! this is quite a thread. Just one observation:
The disgust with Clovis High appears to be from the outside
While the disgust with Clovis West appears to be from the inside
at least thats what i get from reading this thread.
With the present rules, it is okay to talk to kids that are interested in relocating. Being on a state championship team would be a great expierence. If the parents have the financial means to make a move, then there is nothing anyone can do about it.
go clovis, you are right. The people that run their mouths, are the ones that are not happy!!!! The true kicker is that the unhappy ones are the ones that go off rumors and gossip. The TRUE unhappy ones, coaches and some ex-coaches, manipulate the ones that can come on the forum into believing Clovis and other schools are violating cif rules. Than those parents come on here try to strike down others off of what their peirs have told them with NO proof or REAL knowledge of the TRUTH only hear say. That is the sad reality of the forum.
No problems here. Its just the people who run their mouth that are not happy! If a new student is moving into our area then that's great. We don't know what is going on in their wrestling room. So if anyone has any questions just ask that family and keep it off the forum!
Can anyone explain why everyone is so down on Clovis High? Is it jealousy? Is it arrogance? There are many accusations being thrown around, none of them with any proof. Lots of people are angry, and I don't understand that. Good luck to all wrestlers next season. If you work as hard as these videos show, you will be a winner.
I must have missed something, what posts were deleted and why? I don't think water shortages or global warming has much to do with wrestling does it? If barfzim does not live in the CW district, then why does he have a problem with Coach Zimmer? I do not understand that kind of animosity when he isn't affected by that program directly or indirectly.
I just picked your pocket. Its called MOCKING. The irrational posts have already been deleted from this thread. Bi-polar meltdown...you can thank global warming for that, We can talk about water shortages if you wish.
i have no idea about any of this but im wondering what is the proof that clovis high is recruiting? i think the rules are pretty strict around it, so if they are really doing it, why are they not being caught. sounds like cusd doesn't play games when it come to that. and from what it sounds like things for cw are pretty bad. maybe he is unhappy with the new coach and needs something different. whatever the case, bottom line, its really not our business. and right now it hasnt even happened.
Bad idea.......I really don't think you want to get together to come up with names. Check CUHS website for job openeings its all open to the public anyone can apply that is qualified. Go to Cloviswrestling.com for lineup and roster info once again it is open to the public. Since Cook is NOT at Clovis that question can only be answered hypothetically. Cook can practice anytime he wants,just not at Clovis.
No way should anyone let this thread stray from the original idea. Smoke and mirrors and anything to take the focus off Clovis High. I'm not biting. Let's get back to talking about recruiting. Does Cook have to wait a certain amount of time before he starts practice? How many other jobs are available at Clovis and what weight classes are you short on? Maybe we can all get together and come up with some names so we can have a super team that always wins at all costs.
It looks like barfzim is doing research into another realty property outside of the CW eligibility zone. Go for it crybaby, you will be welcomed with opened arms.
As a Clovis West fan, I would prefer not to air dirty laundry in this manner. Unless we want to look like the rest of the posters on here. Keep it private, keep it in your own room.
Yoursoright is right. By 2009, they will no doubt have acquired a few more tough kids capable of ensuring that his favorite team wins another state title. Clovis West might once again feel the drain of talent.
This is supposed to be about Clovis High, not Clovis West. Nick Fisher is working out with Travis Mills because Travis is the head coach for CVWA freestyle team. Nick is on the team. If CW kids have a problem with Coach Zimmer, I'd like to see them handle that in private, not on a flowrestling forum. Dignity and pride.
this is a funny thread. all of clovis against the world. everyone's just jealous of your success right? what a crock. everyone's just sick of the double standard that you've set. it's okay if clovis does it, but not anyone else. way to set a good example.
plaindumb probably read too much of the irrational posts made by yourright. That sounds like a bi-polar meltdown to me. thehorns has only pointed out the legal tactics that some schools and programs have successfully used to bring new talent into their programs. Not just for wrestling either, but other high profile sports. It isn't just in Clovis either. Other districts around the state are also involved in such practices. It isn't going to end any time soon either, it is going to get worse before it gets better.
Plain dumb,,, your not so dumb!!! pretty smart I would say!!... O and BTW.. check out a certain website and you might just see why it's 8 n 08!!...Central Section deserves so much more than this!!... Keep up the good work everyone so you can dominate again next year!! Central Setion that is!!
I don't understand why all of you people don't just shut up. You make the Central section look so stupid. Can't you keep your petty fights behind closed doors like everyone else? This coach is better, this one recruits, this one is mean, this kid is going there, so what. Just shut up and keep your opinions to your self.
ha ha ha ha... I love it!!!! oh wait.. thehorns.. remember nobody likes us.. how could we befriend you?? ha ha ha.. you really have NO CLUE .. plain and simple.. quit whinning.. get up go to practice then go lift.. or take your kid!! oh wait... sad!!!! your not doing that .. just complaining on the board!! ha ha... see you in the winners circle next year... oh wait NOT!!! you will be in the stands trying to make friends with us!!! ha ha ... God I love Clovis High!!... Kids, Coaches, Parents, Siblings!! It it truly the best.. hey "horns".. gotta go.. kids need to get that so important umm 6th day of practice/lift in... wake up smell the coffee!!! the kids success is because they deserve it!!
Clovis parents should tell everyone how BAD it is a Clovis. OK everyone stay AWAY it sucks at Clovis. Clovis is bad for wrestling, The coaches do nothing to help their kids. They spend no time with them,miss practice,provide no camps and OBVIOUSLY they don't lift weights and they NEVER win anything. Kids don't get to College who survive such a horrible program so please stay away. Your right, The parents of Clovis should just keep to themselves,be quiet, talk to nobody or just talk crap about their program.
questions......How would you know how parents talk about Clovis in the stands??? have you talked to all of them?? They have befriended everyone, that would include you I take it?? that worked out well. Explain this swooping??? How do you befriend someone who does not like you or Clovis??? you might want to see a Doctor about your illness!!!!!!!
No what the nutty parents do is make their rounds and try befriending everyone they see. Then they all talk about how great it is to be at Clovis high and how wonderful Mr. Tirapelle is. Oh how we worship him. And the next time you see them they say something else to let you know how good they have it. If you do it enough, your bound to find someone unhappy with their coach. That's when they swoop in and really start working on the kid and the family. Subtle, maybe, recruiting, yes. I wonder which parent went to work on Cook. Or was it the coach himself? Coach to coach. Clovis makes me sick. First ones to scream when someone else gets a recruit but first to deny when they get a recruit.
i see a fourth grader that won the c.u.s.d. districts that should be at cw. i wonder why he is working out with the north kids.Seems like they are losing there little kids too.Good job Zimmer.
Did you not hear it, the Clovis parents were chanting "come to clovis" "come to Clovis' come on did you not see the parents forming study tables in the stands handing out flyers on why Clovis should be the school of choice. They charge $1 for recruiting apps at their Doc B. Ya they take all apps than choose who they want. Did you not see the banners on the walls and the video presentation they had before the Doc. B. finals on why you should transfer to Clovis. Did you not know that in order to be invited to the Doc. B. teams have to relinquish one of their studs. You have know idea how blantent Clovis is about recruiting, Why is it nobody says anything or does anything about these obvious recruiting violations. I WANT JUSTICE....I WANT JUSTICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have to agree with you honesty this man only cares about himself and his kid. Its nice to see Nick Fisher working out with real coaches that actually teach something besides the Zimmer.
if you believe that the CW coach only want the best for his team. Then you have been fooled. He is only out to hurt the kids and their parents if the speak up! This person lost all of his staff and only the round one is hanging on. He respects none and gives none back. He is all ways in someones eye bad mouthing a child or their families. Great coach I think not, he could try to win a state title but will never win the respect of his wrestlers.
martin_x, I think that if you disagree with pick pocket, you should just say that you support acts of recruitment. Being "able" to recruit from other hard working coaches still doesn't mak it right does it?
I see... now it's the nutty parents!!! ha ha ha ha ha ha !!! I love it... !!!!!.... what next the maintenance people?? cheerleaders??? ha ha.. Go Clovis... 9 in 09!!...
Everyone wants to talk about the two kids who wrestled for Clovis, the lightweights, what about the kids who were declared ineligible because they didn't follow the rules? There was at least one of them. Clovis has coaches who are recruiting, bottom line. But most of the recruiting is done by the parents behind the scenes in the stands. Oh it's happening. Clovis has some nutty parents who are going to succeed no matter what the rules are. It's still recruiting if the team parents are bringing the kids to the program. It's just a little harder to prove.
pick pocket, by your reason, winning state was an act of recruitment, because it lures kids from all over to wrestle in your bad mofo room. You just wished that you were able to "recruit" kids.
What does the Clovis West have to lose by attempting to retain one of his athletes? It would be hard to respect a coach that meekly turned the other cheek as his talented athletes got yanked out of his program and ended up in a crosstown rivals wrestling room again.
There seems to be a trend to justify recruiting by saying that a successful program sells itself, the coaches are the hardest working coaches in the world, that the wrestlers work harder than everbody else, that kids are lucky to be a part of a program, and on and on. It's mostly propaganda. I'll pat your back and you pat my back. The two lightweights that transferred to Clovis from within the district filled argueably weak weights for the program. When you get talented kids to work hard together, they improve. But in these cases, what good did it do for kids and the teams that they left? Hard feelings naturally result from this. Finetuning the recruiting game is now the goal of many top ranked sports programs. Pick Pocket Class is now in session. Who teaches that class?
I don't think CHS would allow him to practice there. I just hope the head coach at CW doesn't stir the pot with the tirapelle's because remember the year Bhs lost all the coachs. Don't mess with this man. Maybe it would be doing CW a favor, after reading these post.
Is Cook leaving Clovis West? So far, there have been no denials that I can find posted. As far as I can tell, there is about a 99% chance that he will transform from an eagle into a cougar by next wrestling season. He's probably already working out with the cougars right now.
His dad works at clovis west and isn't he a football coach? Why would he leave one of the best football teams around and go to clovis where there 0-10? Only one reason and don't act like it has nothing to do with clovis wrestling being state champions. Clovis unified does a great job of creating champions at all costs and that creates hatred and jealousy. Clovis unified allows this to go on and that's what the nation sees. You can keep blaming the fans that are drawing attention to it but the real wrong is being done by clovis unified and all the schools involved in recruiting. The rest of us just sit by and watach these teams steal each others players and wait for it all to come crumbling down.
I thought his dad was a teacher. Does his dad not work at CW I guess that means they recruited Cook. I don't think so. Here we have had a chance to be in the spotlight around the nation to be compared to stillwater and other great programs and all most have done on this forum is embarass CUSD and California. This forum has been shameful and disgusting, a true tetimant to what wrestling forums should not be about. Way to make California fans PROUD.
but if cook goes over and daddy is given a job at clovis that is out and out recruiting not just attracting good wrestlers. i don't think clovis out coaches everyone else i just think they out recruit everyone else.
TRUTH... are you kidding me?? the only reason Clovis won was because of the two lightweights??????????? That statement is just WRONG!! What about the rest of team?? I highly doubt those two kids would have placed this year without the coaching they received from Clovis...Live with it.. This TEAM won because of hard word and dedication!!!..oh and some incredible coaching!
Sooooo no one has ever changed schools anywhere else? No one has ever moved into the Poway district???? Or the Gilroy District?? and if your family does move - for whatever reason - the succes of your team somehow doesn't count?
Wait, maybe it's just the people in Clovis Unified who aren't allowed to move, huh.
I agree 100% true, those two kids would have not placed. Next year Clovis will win the state title with all its tranfers. Winners are attracted to winning.
The only reason clovis won the state tournament last year was because of the two wrestlers that transfered over. Gilroy wouold have won the state championship without either the clovis 105 and 112 transfer.
Clovis is just out coaching everyone. Great Coaching leads a great program, which in turn, ignites community support, then all thing are possible. Hire a great man that can coach. He will development into a great coach.
I think that anyone that can get into that program is lucky. There are lots of kids that would love to be apart of CHS but its called recruits. Has anyone ever stopped and asked the kids what they want. Maybe Cook and Zimmer don't get along. It could be that Zimmer thinks he's God and he feels intimidated by Cooks wrestling knowledge!
hmmm...... just my thoughts... but by the looks of this video.. Clovis seems to be working hard while you guys are all talking!.. Funny thing is all you guys seem to talk about is "recruits".. you claim recruits last year .. now this year.. Have you ever thought for a moment that perhaps it is the kids hard work along with these coaches that made them champions this year? If they are recruiting.. I would think they would look for kids that were better than the two transfers last year that everyone claims were recruited?? One was JV and the other 3rd string???? can you at least give these kids credit?? The whole team worked hard together!!!!!!!!! Coaches put in an unbelievable amount of time!!
Very well said. I see you left a few local notables off the list. Comically appropriate I imagine. Bullard seems to be doing much better, and so is Sunnyside, Edison, and McLane. Their coaches are putting out great efforts for their wrestlers.
coach mills great true person, coach mag. Blessed, coach lake cool, coach Q great and robbed, coach Arbalo kind hearted, and coach Campbell don't know!
I'd bet that the Selma and Clovis High coaches both like the direction this discussion has taken. It takes the heat and attention off of them for awhile. It's comical that all these coaches have been successful yet they get shot down for one reason or another. who is next, Coach Campbell ? Coach Lake? coach Arbolos? Coach Mills ? Coach Magnesun? etc.
cw97 is the first good comment i have ever heard about this dude. from wut i hear all his assistant coaches leave and this kids i know that wrestle for him think he is a total joke. sounds like a great guy
Thats why his whole coaching staff is leaving except for the short chubby guy that follows zimmer around.To bad the newly inducted person into the California hall of fame retired last year.Wow two Virgina national finalist one freshman and one sophmore may leave in the same year. Kids that were alredy good before they got to cw due to the previous coaching staff.He even takes credit for Martinez.
All of the Clovis schools are in a league of their own because of the commitment to excellence the district has, which is great. why would any competitive wrestler not want to wrestle for a clovis school? But in fairness I must say the Bakersfields Selmas Maderas and others can be just as competitive and have been throughout the years. In support of Zimmer there seems to be a lot of haters out there. Zimmer is a great coach and has been the head coach of many tough CW tournament teams that placed in the top four in 97' and in the top ten last year. He also won a State Championship as an assistant in 89' so I think he is more han qualified to coach at CW. To all Clovis schools keep up the great work!
Yep Yep... DL says you are guility until proven innocent,,, but then never gives you a chance to prove your innocence!! De. Bradley says for a full family move, they follow CIF.. ha ha ha .. he means they follow DL
If zimmer gets into D.Lindsey's ear it would make the #2 in the state cook lose a year. This person is so unfair. Now you know why no one wants to stay with CW.
CUSD Does hold families hostage!!! One person holds the cards over there!! Dennis Lindsey will make the decision on who wrestle's and where they wrestle and when they get to wrestle...oh wait except for a certain school that he turns his head on!! so not fair!! ... just to add my 2 cents on the Zimmer deal.. I believe the other 103lber was 2nd in the State!! Just tough when there are 2 tough kids in one weight! (trust me I know).. VR will be just fine!.. He is a great little wrestler and will have his day...
Since there has been no denial to the reports that Cook will be wrestling for Clovis instead of Clovis West next year, shall we assunme that it is a true and accurate report?
Tom Brands and John Smith don't coach in the Central Valley, but if they did, they would either recruit or they would complain about someone else trying to get an advantage over them through recruiting. The Central Valley is fast becoming Calvary Chapel North. ;)
Yes, it is a compliment. Winning titles confirms that. Not only will we see #9 in 09, but very likely we'll be printing T-shirts that say #10 in 2010 @ Threepeat as well. Success draws interest, and it breeds winners.
omg,
you are missing the point, people hold the clovis coach responsible for his whinning and bitching and threats.
How can you argue please oh please throttle me with thruth that none of this has ever been the case here with that idiot
It is a compliment that people WANT to wrestle for the program you idiot! im not even from that area and you guys all look like such fools its embarrassing. how can a coach or school be held responsible for kids wanting to attend or wrestle there. that is just ridiculous.
Seriously........... you people are frickin nuts!! Haters!! Didn't you see this video? Looks like these kids work ... and work hard!! Take a look at yourself and wonder why your not on the podium at the end of the year!! Good luck Clovis in 09!! Hard work equals success!
did everyone hear that? it's not recruiting, it's a compliment. i guess it's okay if your clovis, just not anyone else. maybe clovis should open up some more job openings so we can all compliment them with wrestlers. oh and you may not be guaranteed to win your league, but it sure helps when you've stacked the deck in your favor. it's called cheating no matter how you look at it.
recruiting is good for the program it helped clovis win state 8 in 08 it will help us in 09 to as cook is on board now who will be next any sightings locally with the coaches trading players or negotiating home deals for good kids to help take them further over the top then last season
Yea ok..Recruiting...keep dreaming, when you cant win you get people pointing fingers and crying of cheating. How many times do you hear tom brands crying about people cheating? how bout John Smith? its a time tested indicator that you have an inferior program. You wrestle the matches on the mat.
even if they are recruiting hot moms and cross breeding for suck-cess, there is no in the hell way they are even guaranteed to win their league... there are some things money just can't buy and can't be coached.
Recruiting. You guys are so pathetic and bitter. Every time some poor high profile kid moves, you all starting whining and crying foul. Not to say that it never happens, but there are many reasons kids change schools. when you have a great program, a winning program, it is natural for people to want to be a part of it. Success breeds success. Period.
Or maybe your program is just a positive one, that brings other things to the table. it is also natural for poeple to want their kids to be in a situation that is benefits them.
And maybe the program they are in isn't working for them. maybe a personality conflict.
there's just lots of things that go into these decisions and recruiting is probably the least common one. I mean it's not like they can offer these kids money or perks. What many of the teams that constantly get accused if this offer is great coaching and great kids. People want a piece of that. No one has to talk any competitor inot wanting to be successful.
recruiting in hs wrestling is gay and just proves that people will do just about anything to win, but to the opposite prvate schools have been doing it for years so it kind evens the playing field, but even with recruiting you still have to have a great program to win state titles
This just shows you why Clovis HS is #1. They will be even better now that everyone is buying into the program. They'll have James Cook next year from CW. Good thing they don't recruit.
hey shaun ceremello you must be brain dead or you are also a follower of the second coming of jesus "Steve T" he is the best coach in the nation if not the world just ask him
Just remember its easy to criticize success don%u2019t think your cool for coming on hear and talking crap about a great coach. Adam puts an insane amount of time in to this program. and deservise all the praise he gets. Oh by the way what there doing obviously works so take notes haters!
P.s. belts are for football and basketball players find a different sport buddy.
Clovis Wrestling's key to success, as is now, is to incorporate various sets of programs throughout the year. This weight training program is one of the components, even for the Spring off-season training.
Wrestlers should be squating, deadlifting, rowing, and doing grip exerices. I hope for their sake that these workouts are on another day of their schedule.
The only thing I could make out was steve's annoyoing whinning voice saying something like he is gods gift and all should follow him because he is jesus
If you think the technique is terrible here, check out Iowa's Strength training video on here. There strength coach makes a great point, you are not always in a good position in a match. As a wrestler you need explosion from any position. That is not saying you get in a position to hurt yourself, but its more about getting the weight up than doing it with perfect form.
whats best for developing strength witout bulk??
cause John Smith was very strong, from what i hear, and was a fairly skinny guy. any experts out there??
I love the spirit and the commitment of the team. There is no arguing with success, it is working for them. As a strenght coach, I thought some of the technique was horrible, but the most important thing is that they are in there doing it! Great job Coach Tirapelle!
Clovis HS has won eight California State championships where over 800 teams compete for 1 state title. Year in and year out they are in the hunt. Part of the reason is that they are coached by Tirapelles. Adam Tirapelle was a 2001 NCAA champion at Illinois and now he has brought his knowledge back to the central valley.
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my guess is there is no way in hell zimmer will let cook leave without paying the price. we all know how he went after rodriguez when he left. seems zimmer has no problem playing bully to kids and grownups alike. he doesnt care whats best for the kids. hes in it for himself and his own kid”
Clark kids that are now wrestling Varsity at Clovis HS. Tyler Ceremello, Cameren Kelley, Ben Omata, Jonathan Gay, Ben Kelley, Vincent Rubio (Lemoore) Jeremy Simons, Alec Dieter, Tommy Burriel, Brandon Ferrera, Scott Sakaguchi, and Stephen Weimer just to name a few. If memory serves me right, those kids have been on very good teams, including the last State Championship team.
jealous much? You sound like a broken record . lol "the best, the best, the best," ad nauseum. Statistics just show the facts. There isn't anything wrong with showing stats, as long as there are no accusations of wrongdoing. People should appreciate this valuable information. It just shows that wrestling for Clovis Schools is beneficial to those who choose to take that big step. -- more math, most coaches who have talented sons and daughters have some obvious advantages over most other athletes. If they are also very gifted and focused, then you have a gold mine that is hard to beat. I don't see how the statistics has "proven" anyone to be phony. It just proves that talented kids get good coaching whether they are originally from Clovis or elsewhere. Clovis actually got a great plug from it. Accept the kudos and move on. -- yeah, I think you are just a Zimmer hater. Clovis West has had great success under his leadership, and they placed high in the state because of it.
"Zimmer and Cook place 2nd, and with Fisher placing 3rd, it gave CW enough points to place 7th in state. 5 of the top 10 teams were from the central valley. I do consider that great success considering the toughness of the tournament. Just because you don't like coach Zimmer is no reason for you to argue with me about the man. The results are in, and CW placed higher than about 800 other teams and below only 6 better teams."
he is a pathetic jealous person that was fired and now is a hater against the program that has so much success.
you stated in an earlier post that the kids of CW had great success under zimmer and placed high at state. Who exactly did he coach? CW took the exact same amount of kids to state last year and which one was other than his son did he teach anything to that they didn't already no? Those boys would of gone to state under any coach, with or without zimmer.
From 1998-2001 ('98 was coach T's first season):
12 state medals - 4 years (3 medals/year)
12 "clovis" medals
*i tend to label the coach's son a "homegrown" medal
From 2002-2008:
31 state medals - 7 years (4.4 medals/year)
14 "clovis" medals
7 moved after Jr high
6 moved after attending another hs (4 were hs in clovis unified)
4 moved after being state contestants
12 state medals - 4 years (3 medals/year)
12 "clovis" medals
*i tend to label the coach's son a "homegrown" medal
From 2002-2008:
31 state medals - 7 years (4.4 medals/year)
14 "clovis" medals
7 moved after Jr high
6 moved after attending another hs (4 were hs in clovis unified)
4 moved after being state contestants
verdict = lots of success no matter how you slice it...Snapp
It looks like kids like wrestling for Clovis!
***Apply the three medals on an enter-district transfer to Clovis: 17T - 11C; 61% Transfer / 39% Clovis
The greatest contributing factor to an outward appearance of success is Multiple State Place Winners. In these years: 8 Multiple SPW; 7T - 1C; 87% Transfer / 13% Clovis: 17 Medals; 88% Transfers / 12% Clovis
These are not distorted numbers. YOU BE THE JUDGE!
This is a breakdown of Coach T's Move-In & Transfer vs. Home Grown State place winners over the last seven seasons. You can view the individual student athletes at http://www.cloviswrestling.com
For this analysis the Coach's son is excluded. Technically he is a transfer, but is a justified transfer. Analysis Excludes Tirapelle:
SPW=State Place Winners T=Transfer-Move In C=Clovis-Home Grown
2002: 2 SPW; 2T - 0C; 100% Transfer / 0% Clovis
2003: 6 SPW; 5T - 1C; 83% Transfer / 17% Clovis ***One Transfer could be Considered Clovis, Residence Clovis East Area, Boundary Change
2004: 3 SPW; 3T - 0C; 100% Transfer / 0% Clovis ***One Transfer could be Considered Clovis, Residence Clovis East Area, Moved
2005: 1 SPW; 1T - 0C; 100% Transfer / 0% Clovis
2006: 4 SPW; 2T - 2C; 50% Transfer / 50% Clovis ***One Transfer could be Considered Clovis, Residence Clovis East Area, Moved
2007: 5 SPW; 3T - 2C; 60% Transfer / 40% Clovis
2008: 7 SPW; 4T - 3C; 57% Transfer / 43% Clovis
Middle Schools for clovis starting wrestlers
103 - Kastner
112 - Alta Sierra
119 - Clark
125 - Clark
130 - Clark
135 - Clark
140 - Clark
145 - Clark
152 - Clark
160 - Clark
171 - Clark
189 - Clark
215 - Buckley (moved to Clovis from Porterville area in 8th grade)
285 - El Gablian (moved to Clovis from Salinas area in May of 9th grade)
can anyone confirm this?
No wonder this sport is dying, we're too busy about tearing eachother down to even think about uniting for a common cause.
Very sad.
"Also, don't be upset because the Tirapelli Family is honest and will tell you how it is!! The Truth hurts those who can't deal with it!! Steve Tirapelli has coached 3 of his sons to become State Champs more than once so, obviously he's doing things right!! Adam Tirapelli is a National Champion & 3X All-American and it's an Honor to coach, wrestle with or for him!! For this reason I, our kids and the rest of our coaching staff do a great job in the wrestling room! We have a High percentage of kids that wrestle in college. This year all 4 of our seniors will be wrestling in college! Because, our coaching staff does not exceed our limits in bringing new techniques that work to the wrestling room! I proud of what my high school coaches did for me but never took me to the next level!! At Clovis High we take you to the next Level!!"
If you have anything negative to say about this or to me Please I encourage you to give me a call 559-213-2912
quepaso..I would be careful who you are mocking here....you will meet your maker someday!!
laugh my off
The disgust with Clovis High appears to be from the outside
While the disgust with Clovis West appears to be from the inside
at least thats what i get from reading this thread.
questions......How would you know how parents talk about Clovis in the stands??? have you talked to all of them?? They have befriended everyone, that would include you I take it?? that worked out well. Explain this swooping??? How do you befriend someone who does not like you or Clovis??? you might want to see a Doctor about your illness!!!!!!!
Wait, maybe it's just the people in Clovis Unified who aren't allowed to move, huh.
but really speaking truly get a kick out of politician #2
you are missing the point, people hold the clovis coach responsible for his whinning and bitching and threats.
How can you argue please oh please throttle me with thruth that none of this has ever been the case here with that idiot
Or maybe your program is just a positive one, that brings other things to the table. it is also natural for poeple to want their kids to be in a situation that is benefits them.
And maybe the program they are in isn't working for them. maybe a personality conflict.
there's just lots of things that go into these decisions and recruiting is probably the least common one. I mean it's not like they can offer these kids money or perks. What many of the teams that constantly get accused if this offer is great coaching and great kids. People want a piece of that. No one has to talk any competitor inot wanting to be successful.
P.s. belts are for football and basketball players find a different sport buddy.
cause John Smith was very strong, from what i hear, and was a fairly skinny guy. any experts out there??