Chavez crew, You should pay 80 bucks a day for a grammar and punctuation tutor. Your lack of writing skills are comperable to your lack of wrestling knowlege.
Mlo, I think your right about Cejudo and Sanderson, but Smith, Monday, Bamgardner, Shultz, and the wrestlers of that era were hanging with the Russians on a team level under the same conditions. Maybe the Cold War had something to do with the intensity.
The united states technique is not out dated. I did not see anthing that is new, on the other hand I have not seen such nice technique applied at the national level. Our national level was wait wait wait okay lets get a good draw. I have seen all these move in practice or in tournaments. Like youth, HS and College. The throws are not judo or sombo they are GRECO/Freestyle:!
Wow, Now that was amazing. Was it just the music? Or was the wrestling completly awsome? I would like to see some of that in person. There are many ways to make a living in wrestling. One is coaching. Just like in MMA. Most of these guys in mma open up shops and coach. that is where the real money comes in. I pay up to 80$ a session right now to see my kids gettng coached by sombody that knows what it take to be on the topin wrestling. there is money...
Razor Rock said: “The points you give are valid, but I would also ask these questions. How do wrestlers in Russia make a living? Does the government support them? If this is the case, this will also be a factor in the gap between us and them. Also, how popular is wrestling, compared to other sports, in their nation? Do most of their best athletics wrestle or are they divided among other sports like American Football, basketball, soccer, ect? Do you think that these things are also factors and how can we "bridge the gap".”
Wrestling is their living and the government supports them. Wrestling is as popular as football is in the U.S. and Russians don't need to jump into the MMA to make a decent living. These are also factors in the huge gap between U.S. and Russia. Wrestling is engrained in Russia's culture. With all of these factors to overcome, besides the factors mentioned before, it makes it even more amazing that guys like Cejudo and Sanderson can win gold medals. Top U.S. wrestlers don't wrestle long either because,also, there is no money in wrestling. I doubt the U.S. will see another wrestler with the international success of John Smith again. With that being said, how can the U.S. "bridge the gap"? If you bring in money, good athletes and coaching comes. Then the other question is "how do you do that?"
The points you give are valid, but I would also ask these questions. How do wrestlers in Russia make a living? Does the government support them? If this is the case, this will also be a factor in the gap between us and them. Also, how popular is wrestling, compared to other sports, in their nation? Do most of their best athletics wrestle or are they divided among other sports like American Football, basketball, soccer, ect? Do you think that these things are also factors and how can we "bridge the gap".
Targusian hits the nail on the head with observing the Sambo and Judo. It is also a great point that we are watching highlights of international styles of wrestling, which most of our programs do in the off season, if that. You don't see anyone attempting to rack up a point with riding time. Mlo is right on about American wrestlers not being as astute as the Russians. I would as the question: what other commitments would an athlete like Saitiev have had during his developmental and early olympic years? Did he have to maintain a GPA at his school? Did he have to put in his 40 hours at the Russian Home Depot? It's possible he had to do all of that as Americans do, but it's also possible that he and his family were well taken care of as long as he wrestled full time and won matches. Does anyone know?
All of the United States technique is not outdated. That was probably an overblown statement I wrote but the U.S. is behind, as far as the techniques and tactics they use. Americans are not students of the game like the Russians. There is more technique involved in wrestling than in any other sport in the world and the Russians understand that and study,study,study. Russians are not superior athletes than the Americans but superior technicians. Also, conditioning does not play a major factor in matches anymore, giving Americans even less of an advantage. The folkstyle- freestyle transition widens the gap even more between Russia and U.S., but I still don't think Americans would threaten the Russians superiority if that't all U.S. did.
From the look of the throws and trips, the Russians seem to be using a lot of Sambo and Judo technique. It might serve us (United States) to cross train in other grappling styles to complete our wrestling game.
MIo,
I would not go as far as to say that our technique is outdated, but if you get wrestlers who have been wrestling only freestyle and Greco their whole lives to compete against wrestlers who were part time freestyle, greco wrestler and the other time folksytle for most of their wrestling careers, the part timer has to catch up to develop an understanding of the "suttle difference" in the freestyle/greco. Against lower competition, like Canada, (no offence) we can manage, but against ton ten nations, the "suttle differences" will mean the difference between medals and no medals.
Great job flo! This Russian exposure will open the average fans eyes on how far behind the U.S is in wrestling (if with the recent Russian medal count compared to the U.S. hasn't already). The U.S. technique and style does not even compare to the Russians. Russian coaches develop their athletes and teach wrestling in a totally different way than the U.S. The U.S. has old and outdated technique. Wrestling has evolved through the years and the U.S.,in general, has not.
Anyone know what the move was that the guy hit at :37 seconds? It was a back trip from a modified russian tie. I would like to see some demonstrations on it or any kind of variations of it.
WoW! This is the best showcase of techniques EVER! It really shows the focus and precision of these worldclass athletes at the pace they see the match occur. Really great, FLO has really taken our sport forward...thank you!
I'm digging :20. I like when guys use attacks to set up attacks.
It's amazing how few of those highlights end up with just a 1 pt TD. We have to stop thinking and teaching that TDs are the goal and realize that from your feet, the goal is to expose his back not simply get behind him. It's a mentality thing.
I stiil agree that they are superior but if jo flo could have filmed at our World Team trials we would have a great American highlight film too.( you would have to slow down Bunch's matches just to see his moves.)Thanks USA wrestling for helping kill international wrestling in th US!
this clearly shows how the russian wrestling style is superior , when they take a shot and it doesnt work they stay in there and make a shot work . we need adopt this style. when we do usa wrestling will untouchable
i can't even explain how cool this is to me. since i was little i wanted to see stuff like this, and you guys are doing it and doing a awesome job at it. thank you
That was outstanding! Vougar made a comment in a prior interview how Russia wrestling is like a dance; this piece confirms that statement. Flo setting the standards for covering wrestling that may never be reached!
Russians In Slo Flo
Mlo, I think your right about Cejudo and Sanderson, but Smith, Monday, Bamgardner, Shultz, and the wrestlers of that era were hanging with the Russians on a team level under the same conditions. Maybe the Cold War had something to do with the intensity.
“The points you give are valid, but I would also ask these questions. How do wrestlers in Russia make a living? Does the government support them? If this is the case, this will also be a factor in the gap between us and them. Also, how popular is wrestling, compared to other sports, in their nation? Do most of their best athletics wrestle or are they divided among other sports like American Football, basketball, soccer, ect? Do you think that these things are also factors and how can we "bridge the gap".”
I would not go as far as to say that our technique is outdated, but if you get wrestlers who have been wrestling only freestyle and Greco their whole lives to compete against wrestlers who were part time freestyle, greco wrestler and the other time folksytle for most of their wrestling careers, the part timer has to catch up to develop an understanding of the "suttle difference" in the freestyle/greco. Against lower competition, like Canada, (no offence) we can manage, but against ton ten nations, the "suttle differences" will mean the difference between medals and no medals.
Fenx
“U see the russian steal mcallravy boot scoot”
All the russians have them...
Someone here knows someone at USAW.
Show those so called leaders" this video.
This way this was put together is so dope! And the moves the Russians hit are so clean.
Great Video.
nc state champ super 32 champ t_easton
This is a thing of beauty!
It's amazing how few of those highlights end up with just a 1 pt TD. We have to stop thinking and teaching that TDs are the goal and realize that from your feet, the goal is to expose his back not simply get behind him. It's a mentality thing.
It is the theme song from Platoon
by the way, 7:49 looked kinda like Caldwell versus Metcalf. haha. check it out
That man is one fast dude...