Don Singles said: “From the 2009 NCAA Rule Book:
Rule 5.10.3: "Repeated movement away from the opponent without attempting a takedown is defined as fleeing the opponent and is stalling.
Rule 5.14 - Fleeing Wrestling Area
Fleeing or attempting to flee the wrestling area, or forcing, or attempting to force an opponent out of the wrestling area as a means of avoiding being scored upon, is a technical violation. Both wrestlers should make every effort to remain in bounds. Fleeing occurs any time a wrestler avoids wrestling by intentionally going or trying to go out of bounds, by pulling or attempting to pull the opponent out of bounds or by pushing or attempting to push the opponent out of bounds. Fleeing the wrestling area shall not follow the disqualification sequence. The penalty shall be one point for each infraction.
Whether this is called 4%, 44% or 94% of the time is irrelevent. The rule says what it says and the ref made the call based on the rule and it was the right call.”
Thank you for that rule. THIS SOLVES IT.... Dennis was pushing Notte out of bounds the entire match. Therefore be consistant and award Notte his penalty points too. Having said that Notte won the match. Watch the whole thing. In fact, go back and watch the same two at OSU in Jan. Notte won that match too. According to the rule you just posted.
That's only a clip of the match... Chris wrestled agressively the entire match. If your going to through penalty points out there Dennis should have been hit for stalling. They both got a TD and an Escape. With 30 seconds left let them duke it out in OT. Besides Notte initiated the move and had Dennis' arm. Bad call...
the real problem was the ref didn't call Dennis for stalling throughout the period and this attempt by OkSt. The "fleeing the mat" call was questionable; I've seen many exact replicas NOT called, and a lesser percentage called. I'm retired, but used to Ref High School matches and tournaments.
I would NOPT have made the call. th
I ref and this fits the definition of fleeing the mat, however I would never make this call to decide a match in the NCAA's because the wrestler from okst initiated the action!! Im sure others see it differently but its bull when ref's decide matches rather than the wrestlers ...
I made sure not to read any of the comments before viewing or posting...
I think it was fleeing as I understand the rule.
Now that I have read the comments, Sam is right on. Call the correct way, all the time and there is no contrversy.
If that call was made regularly in that situation, then it may have been a decent call. But fleeing is rarely if ever called and in that situation, after having initiated the action, it was a poor one.
Chris Notte may have won this match and did not because he did not wrestle aggressively enough and did not do well on the edge of the mat. Whether or not it should have been called a "fleeing the mat", and in my opinion it was a reasonable call, I think Notte should have countered the move more aggressively and tried for a stalemate or a good scramble. If one thinks it was a questionable call, one should admit that Chris should have wrestled more aggressively to win and if he had wrestled more aggressively the call would not have been made as it was made. Notte has an excellent future as a Division I wrestler and this moment will stay with him, fuel him to excel, and school him on better tactics. Chris had an excellent first season in DI and lost to an outstanding wrestler. Chris will perform even better in his next season.
Chris was def. fleeing the mat this is college wrestling he's gotta be working for more..he knows where the out of bounds is he needs to move in. Was not a questionable call.
I can live with this call. OK St was dragging IA out of bounds. Text book flee IMO. The problem is it is not called much during the regular season and it should be.
If you think I'm full of crap, if this was a bad call, John Smith would have went nuts and they would have been at the table arguing it. He told his wrestler to stay on the mat.
Of course the Iowa fans applaud this call.
From the 2009 NCAA Rule Book:
Rule 5.10.3: "Repeated movement away from the opponent without attempting a takedown is defined as fleeing the opponent and is stalling.
Rule 5.14 - Fleeing Wrestling Area
Fleeing or attempting to flee the wrestling area, or forcing, or attempting to force an opponent out of the wrestling area as a means of avoiding being scored upon, is a technical violation. Both wrestlers should make every effort to remain in bounds. Fleeing occurs any time a wrestler avoids wrestling by intentionally going or trying to go out of bounds, by pulling or attempting to pull the opponent out of bounds or by pushing or attempting to push the opponent out of bounds. Fleeing the wrestling area shall not follow the disqualification sequence. The penalty shall be one point for each infraction.
Whether this is called 4%, 44% or 94% of the time is irrelevent. The rule says what it says and the ref made the call based on the rule and it was the right call.
Very tough call but I can see some mat fleeing. OSU's got a russian 2 on 1 and he's pulling him off. Shouldn't be the call that decides a match at Nationals though. That's a first tournament of the yr call. Ref made a boo boo. You're there to let these kids decide what's up, not be the cool-guy ref.
100% correct call and the TJ X man will explain and let this be a lesson to all young wrestlers coming up, no matter what level you are: When you are on the edge, you ALWAYS fight into the man, NEVER EVER EVER pull your man off or appear to flee the mat. I don't care if rabbit kicking is a bona fide defense, doesn't matter at all. Edge wrestling is a game of PERCEPTION and when a referee sees one man in on an opponent's legs and the other man appears to be running away, it looks like fleeing PERIOD and you are going to get whacked, AND HE DID. Always thrust your hips inward, get on those hands, kill the opponent's head, shoelaces to the mat, and KEEP WRESTLING!!! This was fleeing and not only would I have called this guy but I would have disqualified him and kicked his family out of the stadium because I hate Okie State anyways.
Give me an F'ing break on OSU not being well conditioned. Hendricks is the greatest conditioned athlete of all time. Ask people if Pendleton had no gas? How about Rosholt? Get out.
Chris tries to score,and the ref should have given them a fresh start, out of bounds. No flee no stall, let the guys wrestle.Then notte goes to wrestlebacks and hits the 3rd seed that was upset to go to wrestlebacks first match. Ncaa's is over for notte, that sucks. Keep your head up kid, and good luck next year.
WOW! terrrrible call. dennis is a chronic stall artist who never gets called! notte initiated the takedown and took two steps back to balance himself. straight screw job.
i dont understand this call...think about it people.. if this happens in the center of the mat...the guy is probably going to do the same thing when it comes to a low single at least..if u cant sprawl your only options is to try and kick out
First of all, the kid from OSU wasn't stalling, he took the first shot. More importantly, how else do you propose he defended the leg in a manner more efficent. He did what almost any wrestler in that situation would have done, thus, I disagree with the ref's call. If referees in general made fleeing the mat calls more often this wouldn't even be an issue.
I don't believe he was intentionally fleeing, however, the way the rule is interpreted he could have still defended the shot on the mat and tried to keep it on the mat (although he probably would have been taken down at the edge if he did so). Can't say I like it, but I think it was the correct call to make.
The rule states that you can not leave the mat to avoid a take down. While defending a take down in that manner is perfectly normal, doing so at the edge of the mat is a penalty. The only bad call here would be a no call.
OSU has been fleeing the mat forever, they are, and have always been a skilled but poorly conditioned and not very aggressive team. They always run rather than turn and fight a takedown.
Questionable Call
Fall Report
“From the 2009 NCAA Rule Book:
Rule 5.10.3: "Repeated movement away from the opponent without attempting a takedown is defined as fleeing the opponent and is stalling.
Rule 5.14 - Fleeing Wrestling Area
Fleeing or attempting to flee the wrestling area, or forcing, or attempting to force an opponent out of the wrestling area as a means of avoiding being scored upon, is a technical violation. Both wrestlers should make every effort to remain in bounds. Fleeing occurs any time a wrestler avoids wrestling by intentionally going or trying to go out of bounds, by pulling or attempting to pull the opponent out of bounds or by pushing or attempting to push the opponent out of bounds. Fleeing the wrestling area shall not follow the disqualification sequence. The penalty shall be one point for each infraction.
Whether this is called 4%, 44% or 94% of the time is irrelevent. The rule says what it says and the ref made the call based on the rule and it was the right call.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBkjd6iwpY4
I would NOPT have made the call. th
I think it was fleeing as I understand the rule.
Now that I have read the comments, Sam is right on. Call the correct way, all the time and there is no contrversy.
If you think I'm full of crap, if this was a bad call, John Smith would have went nuts and they would have been at the table arguing it. He told his wrestler to stay on the mat.
Of course the Iowa fans applaud this call.
BUT, this is the national championships and you should let them wrestle for it.
Rule 5.10.3: "Repeated movement away from the opponent without attempting a takedown is defined as fleeing the opponent and is stalling.
Rule 5.14 - Fleeing Wrestling Area
Fleeing or attempting to flee the wrestling area, or forcing, or attempting to force an opponent out of the wrestling area as a means of avoiding being scored upon, is a technical violation. Both wrestlers should make every effort to remain in bounds. Fleeing occurs any time a wrestler avoids wrestling by intentionally going or trying to go out of bounds, by pulling or attempting to pull the opponent out of bounds or by pushing or attempting to push the opponent out of bounds. Fleeing the wrestling area shall not follow the disqualification sequence. The penalty shall be one point for each infraction.
Whether this is called 4%, 44% or 94% of the time is irrelevent. The rule says what it says and the ref made the call based on the rule and it was the right call.
One of the first things my coach always said...never let a ref decide a match!!!