this is seriously the worst call I have ever seen on the mat. there are many reasons this call was wrong, but j wasn't even on his back long enough for the fall criteria! not to menton the dumbass ref wasn't even in position to make the accurate call...sorry jaggers, but this ref didn't like you...it's ok because you got the last laugh!
I was at the match I thought that the call was a little questionable. He was flat on his back for an instant, but that move is used frequently in college and rarely does a ref call a fast pin like that. I want to thank J for the exciting flurries during his career at OSU. I see most of the OSU home matches from the front row. I also want to say that I was impressed with his latest interview where he said that he will repeat as national champ. and I am one of the fans that he was referring to that were in the arena against Illinios that believe in him. Go J!!!!!!!
J needed the same ref that REFUSED to punch Tony Jameson out last year at the state championships in the first round. Had he had that clown he may have won.
Anonymous Coward said: “GOOD CALL!!! Never roll through when the guy has control of your leg, Jaggers got caught and pinned thats all. They will meet again, hopefully he learn something? Good wrestling from both wrestlers until the pin. Kent State looks tough this year.”
Anonymous "Coward"... please don't say you (wrote) something that you did not. We all see that you did not like the call which is your belief. But this was my comment and in my o-PIN-ion it look as though J was pinned. Let it go, the match is over. And Jaggers record is now 6 wins and 7 losses . THE END...
unbelieveable. you just can't call that. he was stuck trying to get the funk for maybe 2 seconds but at that point the ref wasn't even looking for backs. Terrible call.
First there was no pin, very very bad reffing, was he flat at one point? yes, but for 1 second? no, was reaction time given? no, especially with no control, was the ref way out of position? yes, this ref doesn't know the difference between a 90 and 45 degree angle is either, waiving back point after breaking a 90 is terrible reffing!!! and being out position all the time, out of bounds calls sucked too, for this big of an event you would think they could of found a more qualified referee and where was the assistant ref ??
he might have been stuck a couple seconds before the pin was called but from this angle it's impossible to tell. probably was a bad call. but maybe people should be a little more hesitant to go straight to their back? any time you roll over your back like that you run the risk of getting pinned, and every once in a while you're gonna get caught.
I think the ref saw that he was flat, because he was flat , and was out of position to call the pin in a timely manner. It happens people, even the good ones, get caught from time to time. Lashaway is not someone to be taken lightly, not that Jaggers took him lightly, just saying that Drew brings it when he steps on the mat.
Look I think Jaggers was on the right end of a bad call to win last years NCAA tourny... but this was a horrible call.. Looks like the ref was looking for a reason to make him loose.
Definitely was a quick call based on ref's position. It would have been nice to see more action from these two in this match. It seemed more like Jaggers was waiting for Lashaway to bring the action,could have been his downfall in this one. It seems as though he knows how to finish a season which is more imporatant.
Normally would have never been called a pin, he was indeed flat for a second and a half, and I'm sure the ref saw that before he got around and hit the mat.
My vote: Bad call.
how do u call that competitive wrestling right? the guy wasnt even turning his opponent and he gets the luck Fall. WOW! he was all proud after that horrible call because he knew J was going to roll out and whoop him. Wrestle hard to win and be proud! If I were in either shoes i would be pissed at the ref. J got screwed and lashaway should be disappointed because he didn't get to wrestle..
could you imagine if pins were called like that consistently. wrestling would be pretty boring and there would be no funk or scrambles ever. It would suck.
I don't have a horse in this race...that call was absurd! I've been out of the rulebook for a while, but it used to be a 2 count. That wasn't even a zero count. Quick pins calls are bad for wrestling. If I was Ryan I wud have been ejected i wud have been so angry.
Stupid call really it was a scramble and lashaway lost if u see before the pin was called jaggers was coming up the reversal. Also this isnt freestyle so thats not a pin and no back points were being rewarded to show that he was in danger of getting pinned
That was one of the worst calls I have ever seen. The ref was not in position to make that call and Jaggers certainly wasn't stuck when the whistle blow. You have to use discretion in a scramble, from neutral and allow the guys to work. There is no way you can say Lashaway had control at any point especially since Jaggers was out the backdoor when the whistle blew...
very lucky last year at the NCAA - squeaked by using injury time in almost every match in order to throw up or catch his breath. Got every break he needed. There were about seven guys who could have won it last year. That weight was a mess and he won that weekend. You usually dont get those breaks twice in a row. According to the commentator he was 6-6 going into the match so he should be 6-7 now.
GOOD CALL!!! Never roll through when the guy has control of your leg, Jaggers got caught and pinned thats all. They will meet again, hopefully he learn something? Good wrestling from both wrestlers until the pin. Kent State looks tough this year.
Jaggers was flat when the ref was on the other side, but he bounced out out it way before the ref came to the other side to confirm the pin....BAD CALL
Hey am I the only one who remembers last year ? Remember the greatr video of Jaggers catching the guy from Penn State on his back , while the kid was on top . I think that match was the turning point of jaggers season last year . Maybe ironically this will be the match to get him going this year.
in my opinion...god call. at 2:46, when the takedown is awarded, Lashaway has Jaggers's leg and he has an arm in a claw-like hold...as the ref is circleing and dropping to his knees at about 2:47 he can see Jaggers's shoulders clearly while we can not because of the ref's body...the slap of the mat only signifies the end of the match NOT when the fall is earned.
that was bull... and a horrible call...it was a roll through and i think that there is no way possible that you can make a pin call from your feet.....
The official made his one count from his feet. He extends his arm to signify the count and by the time he gets down to the mat to make the call Jaggers is well off his back.
The far shoulder is obviously down and he is looking right at the near shoulder as he made his count.
Excellent call.
I keep watching it over and over but it seems like both shoulders were on the mat for .6 seconds. hmmmmm and that takedown call confused me where was there controll.
its funny watching rowlands in the background disagreeing with the two, then the fall comes and hes like what?!?!!? Then Zeb's squeeky voice comes in "There gonna call a fall!" its great!
I don't know about the 2 points for a TD, but I think the fall was there, if you don't want a fall called on you, don't get put on your back, and DON"T put yourself on your back.
NCAA AA- Yeah they did not show any type of sportsmanship, that stinks, he threw his headgear. Watch his NCAA finals match and watch how the Cal Poly kid reacts after he loses to J, maybe J should take some notes.
Classless - I watch this kid and his father literally chase the official out of the arena at the end of the dual screaming at him. As stated previously, when Metcalf was pinned you did not seee him or his father confront the official. Who cares if he was pinned? His record is 6-6 its not like he was undefeated. Maybe this will light a fire under J and get him ready for the post season.
There were a couple bad calls. 1st- that was not a TD yet. No control was ever gained and Jaggers actually had the momentum. 2nd- The ref was in terrible position to able to make that call if indeed it was a pin 3rd- In the rare justification that you can say he was stopped on his back for the one one-thousand count, he was incredibly inconsistent at other times.
That was ridiculous. Even at 2:47 his scapula wasn't down. There is no way he was pinned. You can say what you want its done with. But that was not a pin.
"Any part of both shoulders or part of both scapulae of either wrestler held in contact with the mat for one
second constitutes a fall. The one-second count (one-thousand-one) shall be a silent count by the referee and shall start only after the referee is in position to observe that a fall is imminent, after which the shoulders or scapulae area must be held in continuous contact with the mat for one second before a fall is awarded."
I agree that Jaggers' shoulder blades were flat for a 1-second count -- almost exactly 1 second, if you watch in slow motion -- but not that the ref was in position to see it BEFORE he started his count, as the rule book says.
The NCAA rules are very clear that the ref is not supposed to start his 1-second count until after he is in position.
In my humble opnion, this call in real time, appears a bit premature, however, after watching the video I can see, from my limited view, where Jaggers shoulders were pressed to the mat for a very quick two seconds. Just play/pause the video very quickly from 2:46 through 2:47 and I think you will see what I saw. I don't like the call because I am positive that what the ref saw is not nearly as precise as what I saw after replaying the call approximately 20 times and this leads me to believe that the ref is a bit biased.
Jaggers shouldn't have tried that funky counter. He deserved to get pinned. He was pinned the ref ran around too much looking for it. He should stayed on the other side or anticipated the action better towards him.
I have never seen someone in Lashaway's position be given a pin call. He is no way in control of Jaggers. Even in a defensive pin type situation, the defensive wrestler is usually doing something to keep the other party from rolling through. Here, Lashaway seems to be focusing his energy on not falling on his face at the time of the pin.
watch 2:46-2:47 -- 2 seconds while he was shoulders only...easy to see while standing, just that it took him too long to actually slap the mat but he was flat as a pancake
2pts awarded @ 2:45, Jaggers definitely meets pin criteria,
at 2:47(freeze it if you need to), this is clearly what the ref saw.
No need to give Jaggers reaction time(he should have bailed when the 2 was given).
BTW, the ref was NOT out of position at 2:47. He was in good position at 2:46, you can see his hand raised at 2:47 and Jaggers pinned at the same time. Did it happen too fast for you?
Wow that was pathetic! The Big Ten does not schedule the refs for non-conference duals so I would bet a large sum of money that this guy never refs anywhere near Colombus again. That was pathetic, I hope he sees that call and realizes how horrible it was!
Fall? I've seen people on their backs a lot longer than that, and not even two back points have been rewarded. Did the ref have to take a really bad bathroom break or what?
That's ur opinion. It wasn't like he was controling him. maybe it should be the other way around where you have to be on ur back for 2 seconds. that way a Fall is no doubt a Fall and u have control of ur opponent. Bad call, 2 point take down 3 points near fall. NEAR FALL. NOT A FALL. The ref wasn't even at the angle to call it. he was standing up. He should have went to the mat and made a better judgment.
I think more refs should call falls when the defensive wrestlers "funks" to his back. That will slow down all the BS wrestling of going to your back to avoid a takedown. Good call!!
pretty laughable im not a big fan jaggers fan at all but that wasnt even back points no control whatsoever. THE phantom fall!
Whatever who cares J I only wrestle when it counts jaggers will probably repeat again.
Didnt OSU win a dual against Penn State last year the same way. Then it was great wrestling, now it is luck? Wake up, the kid was pinned let it go and quit making excuses people are starting to whine like Michigan on here. I hope both are AA's this year.
I wouldn't say stuck. when you stick some1 they arent going anywhere. J had movement and was rolling out of it. plus keep watching it and u'll see that he wasn't pinned. he wasn't held there for longer than a second. On the other hand, he should have gotten himself in that position.
hahaha i wish this guy was my ref, all u have to do is not ever cross ur back n u win, so let me break it down for u, if u put someone on their back ever just one time ever throughout the whole match they r pinned, ima just grab some guys quickly roll em across their back when this guy is my ref, heck a barnyard roll would work n he will call it every time, no doubt in his mind.....
wow nice call, totally agree with that 1, ahhhhhhh i remember my first match that i ever refereed. I personally like the no count dive roll pin call. That guy is an anthlete no doubt about that. Can u blame a guy for bein a lil slap happy, I mean it wasnt like J was about to escape n get the takedown. That was busch league!!! J is still a nat. champ tho so no big deal
That was definitely a pin in freestyle, not sure about collegiate rules but as my last fortune cookie said, "that's the way the egg rolls." I think Jaggers needs to get some type of formidable attack going on his feet, sitting on his heels begin satisfied with 1 point victories eventually comes back to haunt you (ask Schlatters).
his right shoulder blade may have touched the mat for a millisecond. ref shouldn't have called that. heat of the moment i guess. doesn't look like his right shoulder bland even touched but can't tell because the ref's dumbass was in the way. he didn't even have good view. hate ref's that do that. must have thought this was a freestlye match or something...
It looked to me like both of Jaggers' shoulder blades were touching the mat and then came off before the ref made the call. IMHO, the count was a bit quick and the call a bit late.
Big Ten Assigns officials, 25 ushers/event staff employees, one official, not OSU's fault, Big Ten took this out of their hands, quick fall call. Hopefully Jaggers can recover, he has had rough stretches before and may recover. Good hustle by Larry Lashaway and credit to him knowing the roll was coming. Hopefully this rivalry will continue at the NCAA tourny.
I was seated first row and did not agree with the call, now I look at the video 10 or more times and see he was not held for the 2 second count. Official was out of position and a call on the fly for something the he missed completley and tryed to make up for. Horrible at this level
lol. i almost want to become a ref just to do that move. tom ryan made a real good point. jaggers went straight to the roll to defend the single. that should have been his last option. he really didnt move his hips or work lashaways wrists first. anyone else see a whole lot of donahoe in lashaway, at least on the feet?
I would say home town call, but ....anyways that move by the ref was sweet, it was a head first slide to a pin slap. That combo will be imitated time and time again, but never again duplicated.
its impossible to say whether it was a fall really bc we dont have the camera angle. he awards the 2 and then yeah, it looks like his shoulders touched but only for a second really, like a freestyle pin. and anyway, this ref should be banned from refereeing. he calls the pin wayyyy after being able to actually see it. unreal call.
141- J Jaggers Ohio State VS Drew Lashaway Kent State
“GOOD CALL!!! Never roll through when the guy has control of your leg, Jaggers got caught and pinned thats all. They will meet again, hopefully he learn something? Good wrestling from both wrestlers until the pin. Kent State looks tough this year.”
during warmups, did anyone else see who the ref ran right up to and chatted up for 15 minutes or so? i did. what do you think, mr. lashaway?
My vote: Bad call.
The far shoulder is obviously down and he is looking right at the near shoulder as he made his count.
Excellent call.
"Any part of both shoulders or part of both scapulae of either wrestler held in contact with the mat for one
second constitutes a fall. The one-second count (one-thousand-one) shall be a silent count by the referee and shall start only after the referee is in position to observe that a fall is imminent, after which the shoulders or scapulae area must be held in continuous contact with the mat for one second before a fall is awarded."
I agree that Jaggers' shoulder blades were flat for a 1-second count -- almost exactly 1 second, if you watch in slow motion -- but not that the ref was in position to see it BEFORE he started his count, as the rule book says.
The NCAA rules are very clear that the ref is not supposed to start his 1-second count until after he is in position.
at 2:47(freeze it if you need to), this is clearly what the ref saw.
No need to give Jaggers reaction time(he should have bailed when the 2 was given).
BTW, the ref was NOT out of position at 2:47. He was in good position at 2:46, you can see his hand raised at 2:47 and Jaggers pinned at the same time. Did it happen too fast for you?
Whatever who cares J I only wrestle when it counts jaggers will probably repeat again.
btw, did anyone else enjoy the martial arts roll the ref did as he called the pin?
good call
By the time he gets in position, Jaggers isn't close to getting pinned long enough. Gotta let it go. 2-takedown, and start the back-pt count.