Chase Skonieczny OH v Mark Weber MI

who even cares its high school wrestling it doesn't mean anything! so what you do good in high school so you can waist 4 years in college in a sport that you have no future of making money unless your a multiple NCAA champ. Grow up believe me half these kids your taking about could care less if they win or lose to an ohio or michigan kid cause in the end they aren't going to be wrestling the rest of their lives.

Put some action into it!

Very coool indeed.

Remember Weber lost to two kids in Michigan during this season. He lost to Brumley and Morse. Morse is only going into his junior year.

Didn't Scott Winston take 1st at this tournament? What did Cubberly place?

Burge would never beat cubberly. Cubberly has wrestled and beat kids Burges size such as scott winston and has beatin one of the fastest middle wieghts, alex meade, I dont see MI winning here

Sure send Bennett, Burge, Zeerip, Elsworth, Morse, Dubose, Pettingil and Martin. Since most of those guys have beat top guys from Ohio anyway I think the would do pretty well.

palmer would murder weber if skonieczny beat him here lol...... lets be real and i would like to see all u mi wrestlers try to place in our glorious ohsaa state tourney lol.... this isnt wv lol...

Ohio winning over Burge and Bennett? I have trouble seeing that.

Didn't Jordan Thomas (8th grader) beat Spicel recently?

103 Steiber vs. Suitor 3-0 Ohio
112 Taylor vs. Keselring 8-0 Ohio
119 Steiber vs. Rickard 14-0 Ohio
125 Stevens vs. Sergent 14-3 Ohio
130 Horner vs. Osterman 17-3 Ohio
135 Weber vs. Palmer 20-3 Ohio
140 Morse vs. Spicel 20-6Ohio
145 Jordan vs. Thomas 23-6Ohio
152 Dong vs. Ortman 26-6Ohio
160 Burge vs. Cubberly 29-6Ohio
171 Bennett vs. Phillips 32-6Ohio
189 Elsworth vs. Mangrum 32-9 Ohio
215 Dubose vs. Scales 32-13 Ohio
285 Martin vs. Hiles 32-19 Ohio

Who is bringing anybody down? Commenting on a lose is bringing someone down? Nobody said they were bad wrestlers just that there are kids in MI that have beaten them. Nobody is being a sore loser about anything. Weber lost this match. People have to face it. Michigan placed better at Senior Nationals than Ohio did so Ohio fans need to face that. Ohio beat MI at Disney so MI needs to face that fact. They were close matches though and good competition. I'm not sure about the "can't be touched" part so you might want to step down from the high horse but as of now you guys are the kings of high school wrestling in my opinion.

Michigan people are sore losers Ohio won ok you can change the line up all you want it doesn't matter... Did you ever take the time to think that kids were hurt or just wrestled a bad tournament at Disney I'm sure you didn't instead you want to bring down kids like tank and magrum just cause they had a bad couple of matches SO WHAT its wrestling you win some and you lose some I would bet my house that if all these kids wrestled again in regular season and not in the summer it would be a different story OHIO WRESTLING CAN'T BE TOUCHED

hunter stieber major decision bj suitor.. both hunter and bj beat ty mitch by the same deficit tho hunter is much better md. 3-0 ohio
david taylor tf. waldo 8-0 ohio
logan steiber p. cam amaties- 14-0 ohio
zac stevens md. tom pretty- 14-4 ohio
craig eifert(toss up) d. horner 14-7 ohio
collin palmer d. mark weber 17-7 ohio
jackson morse d. richie spicel 17-10 ohio.. at least decision spicel lost to zeerip at disney and almost lost to an 8th grader from michigan in OT
ben jordan d. brandon zeerip 20-10 ohio
dan yates d. jesse dong 20-13 ohio... best in michigan and kirk tank lost to two michigan kids who arent better than yates
jacob burge d. eric cubberly 20-16 ohio
ben bennet d. chris phillip 20-19 ohio
kyler ellsworth d. cody mangrum 21-20 michigan
marcel dubose p. matt fisher... ranked 1 in the nation sr national and fargo champ. 27-20 michigan
mike martin p. john hiles 33-20 Michigan...hiles got crushed by brett correll(3rd at sr nationals) and corell got majored by mike martin...

I agree that Palmer would beat Weber. Ohio would win 103-119 without a doubt. MI would have 125. Not sure about 130. I think MI would win at 140 or 145. I'm also not sure on 152 but Michigan has three guys that beat Tank. If Burge went 160 I would put him for the W but it would be a cool match to see. Then I give Michigan wins at 171-285. I'm not sure where you get that Phillips would beat Bennet. His win over Roddy? Bennet was national champ. Not knocking Phillips at all I would just take Bennet.

Michigander r u kidding me! how would Weber beat Palmer if he he couldnt beat Skonieczny. Palmer was beating Chase 5-0 and had him in the Peterson before the match had to be called due to an injury on Skonieczny's ankle. Also, Phillips would never lose to Bennett. u must be crazy.

give us your best lineup. I gave ours.

Actually I think Tank went 0-3 against Michigan.

You dont even have the best kids wrestling in the weight classes....so get ur facts straight....ohio beats michigan

All of you Ohio guys need to quit drinking your "were unbeatable" kool-aid. As shown at Disney Duals, Mangrum was 1-2 against Michigan kids. Suitor, Michigan's best 103, handed ranked Ty Mitch a 5-0 loss. So here is too you saying Steiber would pin him. lol. Kirk Tank, widely regarded as one of your top 152lbers went 1-2 against Michigan kids. After all of the folkstyle tournaments have been wrestled, this is how it would come down too...

103 Steiber dec. Suitor 3-0 Ohio
112 Taylor maj. Keselring 7-0 Ohio
119 Steiber maj. Rickard 11-0 Ohio
125 Stevens dec. Sergent 11-3 Ohio
130 Horner dec. Osterman 14-3 Ohio
135 Weber dec. Palmer14-6 Ohio
140 Morse dec. Spicel 14-9
145 Jordan dec. Thomas 17-9
152 Dong dec. Ortman 20-9
160 Burge dec. Cubberly 20-12
171 Bennett dec. Phillips 20-15 Ohio
189 Elsworth dec. Mangrum 20-18 Ohio
215 Dubose maj Scales 22-18 Michigan
285 Martin pin Hiles 28-18 Michigan
The only bias opinion on this match would be Weber over Palmer and I will hold true to it. Weber would beat Palmer. If you don't believe me, we will see in a few years when they wrestle in the Big Ten.

Magrum also lost to Bennett at Disney. Tank lost to all three Michigan kids. Spicel lost to his Michigan kid and barely beat an 8th grader from MI. Ohio has a lot of depth and talent but they still need to give some credit where credit is do. MI is moving up in wrestling.

Magrum just lost at Disney to a jr from MI.

honestly mich cant touch 103-119 ..they will all get techs or pins and im not a fanof ohio..i know for a fact no one in the country can touch those 3...not a 3-0 score or a close score in any way

103 - 119 would get pins agaisnt mich im from nj and i hate ohio wrestling but those 3 guys are unstoppable...stieber gbeat up college kids including the iowa starter pins def...anduniv of mich got chase beat kellen russel spanked chase bad..dominated the whole match but he is from blair

103 through 119 would gt pins...stieber has been beating college kids lately..even the iowa starter idk about the other weight cles but im sure all pins and i hate ohio but i cant disagree with pure studs like taylor clark stieber

"we have blood...we have blood" gotta love screwy louie

Weber is tough, he wrestled up at Vegas at 145 lbs.

Phillips did NOT get stuck against Jackson. He injury defaulted with a neck injury. He was also a junior high kid at the time. He would stand a great chance to beat either Bennett or Burge.

the commentator pronounces the ohio kids name differently each time lol

Actually I believe Jackson Morse is a So not a Jr.

Magrum didn't wrestle, but he has been bouncing around the national rankings from 7-12 this year, and likely would have been in the finals at 189.

as a Michigan resident I will admit that MI cannot compete with ohio when it comes to Top wrestlers. Here is MI top lineup in my eyes.

103- Andrew Brackins SR.( would have won SR nats if wrestled at 103, idiot)
112-Bryan Rickard ( wrestled 119 all year)
119- Cam Amateis Jr.
125- Zac Stevens SR.
130- Andrew Schutt JR
135- Mark Weber Sr
140 Jackson Morse Jr
145- Brian Hittle Sr
152- Jake Varilek Sr.
160- chris Eggert sr
171 Ben Bennet sr (Jake Burge also amazing)
189- Lj Helbig
215- Marcel Dubose (Travis Penttingill 2nd Nation)
285 Mike Martin ( Brett Corell All American)

look at the ohio jr high state championship on flowrestling,lots of up comeing bad boys in the state of ohio.

Jacob Burge took 3rd at senior nationals @171, but alpha'd at 160 i think he would beat jedd moore, and 189 lj helbig placed top 8 at senior nationals, what did magrum place?

Michigander I see where you are coming from on many points, but David Taylor is most dominant wrestler in his weight class in the United States.

Who do you have beating #4 ranked Jedd Moore at 160, and #9 Cody Magrum at 189?

Michigan also had good wrestlers not go to senior nationals. Its easy to claim what could have been but its much more difficult to actually get it done. I don't doubt Ohio is the toughest wrestling state though. This year Michigan was just the better at senior nationals. Also an unfortunate thing to think about is that Michigan doesn't have fr,so or jrs at nationals. Under MHSAA rules its not allowed.

Ohio didn't send anybody to fr,so,jr or sr nationals.Ohio could have won all 4 classes. Their participation was low.

come to the ironman, ohio holds the number i tourament in the country

i have seen them in action. i am not stupid. the problem with you guys is that you believe that ohio will always be superior to michigan at all times. which is not the case this year. this senior class is very tough and they would knock ohio around. next year would be a different senario. i glad to see you give michigan so much credit. we have 3 very good teams going down to disney. lets see if ohio can showup.

I will say that Ohio could easily come away with bonus points down below. but we would have two all-american at 112 and 119. so there is no way taylor would pin and steiber would pin. at the most majors. and yes, we would dominate you from 160 on up. if bennet had to pin, he would. he turned collins 2-3 times. marcel would stick any ohio guy and our heavyweight would major/pin any of you heavyweights. i am telling you. michigan would win in a fantasy match. now next year you guys would kill us. but michigan this year would beat ohio.

103- ohio 5-0
112- ohio 8-0
119- ohio 12-0
125- mi 12-3
130- ohio 15-3
135- ohio 18-3
140- mi 18-6
145- ohio 21-6
152- ohio 24-6
160- mi 24-9
171- mi 24-12
189- mi 24-15
215- mi 24-21
285- mi 24-25



and that is giving you the toss-up at 135 and us the toss-up at 140. we would more likely get a pin at 285. i really don't think our 103 would get teched. 2 x timer already. waldo isn't even the best 112 we have. good discussion. ohio is still head and heels over michigan right now. but we are gaining ground

Ziggy_x I will have to check that vid out. I know Collins and Burge beat Roddy and Bennett beat both of them so it would be interesting. It would also be intersting to see Burge wrestle Cubberly if Burge could make 160. Both were 3rd at nationals and Burge won the Super 32 and some other big tournaments. Thanks for you discussion and information without it getting heated like it tends to do on these boards.

Watch the Roddy, vs. Phillips video. Phillips absolutely dominated Roddy, and mind that that was the first week of his freshmen year. The score was like 7-3 (kickouts), but it looked like 10-0. Also, Ohio's 160, Cubberly got 3rd at Sr. nationals, and has beaten Winston from NJ (Yes Winston is probably better, but he didn't beat Cubberly the one time they met). Magrum is a top 10 nationally ranked 3x Ohio state champ and would have been top 3 easy at Sr. nationals.

Your honesty is appreciated and at least someone like you isn't being a jackass like the rest of us here.

Not so sure about that one. Bennett showed that he can dominate the 171 weight class. Phillips beat Roddy but how bad? I also don't see Ohio beating Burge if he is at 160. I admit I don't know much about Magrum at 189 but I know Helbig placed at Senior Nationals.

MrX, 171 would be a tossup, and 160 goes to Ohio, and 189 is Ohio easy.

Like I said Ohio would take 103-119 with ease. Maybe even some bonus points. Then Michigan would clean up 171-285 and 160 if Burge is there. This is a dual I would really like to see.

Furthermore: Here is the top Ohio kid's national rank listed first, then Michigan's in the same weight by AWN (top 12s are listed) then the dual score:
103-OH(3) vs. MI(-) Ohio 4-0
112-OH(1) vs. MI(-) Ohio 9-0
119-OH(1) vs. MI(-) Ohio 15-0
125- NONE Ohio 15-3

103-119 would not be 9-0. Hunter won Ironman finals 11-2 against a TOP TEN ranked 103, and the Michigan 103 would not have been in the finals at Ironman. David Taylor would tech Waldo EASILY. Waldo is barely a top 25 wrestler, and Taylor has teched the 6th ranked wrestler. Logan Stieber is the only wrestler who could ever beat Taylor, and would easily stick Amaties. Logan pinned 2 kids in the top 18 at Ironman, and this would be no different.

103-119: Ohio 17-0

you must not know to much about the sport if you think a freshman would tech bennett, phillips got pinned by the 3rd best 171 in michigan, and bennett is head and shoulders above everyone at 171 in michigan.

Without doubt ohio would get bonus points at 112 and 119 with Taylor and Steiber. Taylor probley tech/pin and L Steiber with at least a major.

First of all, Phillips would be the 4th best 171 in Michigan. He got stuck in 31 seconds against Kam Jackson whom is considered the 3rd best in michigan. Ben Bennett would turn him and stick him easily. And Burge is way to strong. Phillips is a great wrestler, and will be one of the best heavyweight wrestlers that comes out of Ohio. But proof is in the numbers. Here is how I see it with no bias.
103-119. Ohio 9-0
125 Michigan 9-3
130-135 Ohio 15-3
140 Michigan 15-6
145-152 Ohio 21-6
160-285 Michigan 21-21

Now i can tell you that Michigan will get bonus points at 215-285 no doubt. But i can also see ohio gettting bonus points at 152. Other than that, I think Michigan would pull it out in a fantasy dual

michigan did have a pretty good year this year with the talent of their state champs but i would still have to say ohio is better, without a doubt.
1.)PA
2.)OH
3.)NJ
4.)CA
PA is definitely the best but OH and NJ is up for debate

I believe Pajestka from ohio @ 140 is better than Spicel

Philips from ohio would tech Bennett

Didn't Metcalf beat three Ohio four timers? Oh and wtf is flowrestling_x even saying?

Thought this official did a fantastic job throughout the tournament. He is highly thought of at every level. Like to see some of you critics try and keep up with him. Some of you nuts are silly!

And by clean up here and there I mean possibly win it all.

Why are you people arguing about Michigan vs. Ohio? That is a joke, so don't waste your time. The only legit debate can be NJ vs. PA vs OH.

Ohio's state tourny is the weakest and NJ's is the strongest, but overall Ohio and PA have the best wrestlers. I'd say that OH is the most top heavy with names like Taylor, Palmer, Stieber, Phillips, who can beat anyone badly on any given day, but PA is so deep. I think that if OH, NJ, and PA wrestled EVERY wrestler in a single tournament, Ohio would have the most champs, PA would have the most placers and win it all, and NJ would clean up here and there.

Begold I wouldn't say they would get destroyed but I would put Ohio over Michigan. On paper it doesn't look like a blowout for Ohio. I think Ohio would take 103-119 without a doubt but the upper weights favor Michigan. 160-285 if Burge is at 160 would favor Michigan with maybe 189 being a tossup. I would also favor Michigan at 125 and 140.

I would agree with Mich, though, Michigan will probably get a lot better in the coming years...

fatboy285 that line up would get destroyed by Ohio's. And I don't say that to be hating on Michigan at all. It's just the truth. Graham High School would probably hold their own against them.

Someone on here said "Somewhat scary to think how many Ohio wrestlers would be 4 timers in Michigan". Lets think about that statement. First off this is the result of one match and it wasn't in anyway a blowout. Second there is a reason Ohio has its depth. They have been more serious about wrestling for longer and put more effort into youth programs. If these Ohio kids had left Ohio they wouldn't have had that. Now Michigan is starting to become more competitive due to its growing youth programs. I think MI in the next few years should have more good showings like they did at this years Senior Nationals.

103 - B.J Suitor So. 2x state champ
112 - Kyle Waldo Jr. 3x State Champ Ranked in nation
119 - Cameron Amaties Jr. State Champ, beat rickard who took 5th @senior nat.
125 - Zac Stevens Sr. State Champ took 4th @ senior nat.
130 - Dan Osterman Jr. 2x State Champ
135 - Mark Weber Sr. 4x state champ, 2nd @#senior nat.
140 - Jackson Morse So. state champ, beat weber, ramked in nation
145 - Jeremy Bommaritto Sr. 2x state champ
152 - Dan Yates Jr. 2x state champ
160 - Jacob Burge Sr.2x state champ, 3rd senior nat., ranked in nation
171 - Ben Bennett Sr. 3x state champ, nat. champ
189 - L.J Helbig Sr. State Champ, 7th senior nat.
215 - Marcel Dubose Sr. 3x state champ, 2 time national champ
285 - Mike Martin 2x state champ, should be ranked in nation, beat Corell from Mi who took 4th @ senior nat. 17-5

I wolud put this line up against any line up from across the country.

Ohio's All Star Line Up with National Ranking
103- Hunter Steiber 1 Ranked in Nation
112- David Taylor 1 Ranked in Nation
119- Logan Steiber 1 Ranked in Nation
125- Tom Pretty Not Ranked
130- Seth Horner Beat 6 Ranked Squire in State Finals will be ranked top 10
135- Collin Palmer/ Chase Skonieczny 1 Ranked and Chase is probley 2 now.
140- Rich Spicel 16 Ranked and end season rankings will most likly have him higher
145- Ben Jordan 11 Ranked and will be higher when end season ranking come out
152- Jesse Dong 11 Ranked and will be higher when end season ranking come out
160- Eric Cubberly 9 Ranked in Nation
171- Chris Phillips 7 Rank and only a Freshman
189- Cody Magrum 11 Rank in nation
215- Matt Fisher 10 Rank in Nation
285- John Hiles 11 Ranked wrestler in Nation

The fact is there really is not a chance in hell Michigan would touch Ohio in a dual meet. And if any Mich would like to argue just post your All Star Line Up!

O-H think again- Tank got beat badly at the disney duals last year by a kid that took third in michigan, the same goes for sulzer, and hiles just got smoked by corell from michigan who took third at hvy this year. i am sure with the other kids you metioned the same probobly holds true, with the exception of colby boyd, and tony jameson those two are studs. basically your argument sucks. By the way how does it feel to be the armpit of the country?

Ohio smoke MI 103-285? Who do you have that can beat Dubose or Pettengill? Oh wait and who will win for you guys at 171? Lets ask Roddy about Michigan.

Michigander, let's do it right here right now. Give me Michigans 103-285 all star line up, and I will give you about 12-14 Ohio kids who will dominate them.

I'll give you a hint: Chase Skonieczny would not going to be the one wrestling Weber.

And then I will say to you once more, LOOK AT THE NATIONAL RANKINGS BUDDY...
Or are they just biased? Oh yeah that must be it. right.....

in the next 4 years, michigan will dominate everyone. the 8th grade class is the best in nation hands down and the sophomore class is equally tough. you will see. we have to wait till senior nationals to prove our worth. we also take a couple of decent teams down to disney where we destroy ohio

With seniors they would....Guys like Jameson, Jordan, Boyd, Witt, Tank, Koldizik, Gambile, Sulzer, Cogar, Scales, Fisher ect. all would have racked up big points for ohio and most all would have likly AA'ed. Ohio only had 4 big guns show up to this tourney being Roody, Cubberly, Hiles and Skonieczny.

ohio is good but how do you figure he ran over mi 4timer?? it was 1 to 2 point match could've gone either way...ohio would beat michigan 103-285 probably but with just seniors they obviously cant.

you forgot the fact that a 1 timer from ohio just ran over your golden boy 4 timer...i dont even want to get into this but best vs best up and down from 103 to hvy ohio vs you fools would be like tyson fighting from an infant! and you people know it!

Lets see, Michigan beats Ohio at Senior nationals, Michigan DESTROYED Ohio at Middle School National Duals, and those were the only two things MI competed in...which state is better? You decide.

I think people are forgetting that weber won the dapper dan and was a national freestyle runner up. So the kid is no joke but this just wasn't his match. Congrats to both wrestlers.

holy crap weber got robbed on back points

def should have been backs

Nicely Done
National Champ

bucks513, Michigan doesn't have any kids that wrestle in the sophomore division. Under MHSAA rules Michigan athletes can't participate in nationa high school events. They can go to events like Fargo but none of the high school nationals. In doing so they would give up their eligibility. Thats why you will only see them in senior nationals. I'm pretty sure MI has sophomores that could do well at nationals if given the chance. There is a sophomore in MI that beat Weber this year.

the michigan sophomore class will do well at senior nationals?? i don't think MI even finished in the top ten in the sophomore divison, however ohio was in the top five like they were in every divison this year...

what weight is chase projected at? just wondering

i thought this was a good match, pretty exciting and complete contrast in body styles; overall fun to watch

i believe its ScrweyLouie? maybe

Mr. play by play man...do you have a name? haha. i think i heard you in a blair/st eds match...and maybe in the ohio state/cornell dual.

there was a two count, but like the guy said: you have to stop their momentum, he cant just roll through and get back points

By the way, I know we're both homers, but the facts back me up, and they're not so kind to your position. Take a look at the national rankings retard.

congrats chase. you deserve every bit of this championship. great win to cap off a great year. good luck with kent state.

Granby-I was hoping you would get pronounce Chase's name right but you never got it. Thanks for your play by play, thanks for helping Martin bring this beautiful sport to our computer.
BTW- I can see Mark is a quality wrestler but in typical Michigan style can't be a man about a loss. Nice hand shake, or lack there of.

NO BACKPOIONTS, ARE YOU KIDDING ME! Michigan apears to be a great wrestler, and a great wrestling state. Ohio kid apeared to be very fortunate that match. Congrats to both!

Wow... Weber was much better than that kid. What was the ref doing?!

Did you see what Metcalf did to Ohio's best? He smashed Lang and took it to Schlatter.

Lets not forget about Michigan's BEST ever- Metcalf. He could not even win the senior nationals.Remember?

Great job chase! woody hayes would of been prod of you,beat the boys up north.

NICE job Mark !! GO MICHIGAN!!!!

It's my creepy voice doing the play-by-play. I used to do Outstanding Sports Videos but that site is in limbo for the time being. Martin at Flowrestling is letting me help him so I'm glad to be helping him bring the sport of wrestling into your world & the others who don't seem to know the passion that all of us have inside us. BTW, Coach Clint Musser was very nice to me during the tournament.

Great job chase! and you will do a great job leading the flashes for the next few years!

weber-michigan. skonieczny-kent state.

where are these boys going to college???

oh and please count for me that nearfall, i at least a 3 count maybe even 4. plus weber has lost twice in michigan. so he isn't the only stud. our sophomore class will compete very well at senior nationals and I don't want to go into the depth that we have in middle school. ohio is going to get a beating from michigan over the next few years

whos doing the play by play? he sounds so damn familair

Typical MICHIGAN POOR SPORTS (as usual). Your dream team wonder boy lost and it would not matter if it went into OT (for those of you that wanted back points) Chase physically hurt the kid and mentally broke the kid !!

he got screwed on the reversal at the end tho, the ref called that really fast

his back was exposed for the bare minimum of what one could call a two count

Goooo Skonieczny!

Congratulations Chase! We are all proud of you.

wow mark had him pinned in the first, back points at least

yea, mark should have gotten backs in the first

CC go get get next year!

Should have been back points in the 1st for Webber!

i love u mark your great that kid got lucky Go GOODRICH F OHIO

way to go chase... way to represent oh-io