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Freestyle and Folkstyle Wrestling

Joe Williamson 2 years ago

During the summer time there are many options for wrestlers to choose from when it comes to tournaments. There are many freestyle and folkstyle tournaments. Which is more important to focus on to become a better wrestler? How much of the year if any should be focused on one style or the other? does it vary from wrestler to wrestler? Anything Else?

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pete 2 years ago

60 folk
30 free
5 greco
5 beach or judo
dude you are CRAZY!!! there needs to be way more time in greco. i don't understand why freestyle gets 30 and greco gets 5...it should be AT LEAST 15/15.

think about it, all your set ups are GRECO moves. you would be no where without upperbody wrestling...

2 years ago

PA kids do the same thing. I've seen it.

PAProud 2 years ago

And that is exactly why PA rules Fargo and NCAA AA's year in and year out. We teach our kids how to get after it, not to milk the rules for the easiest, least earned win possible.

In PA its about developing skills to dominate.

2 years ago

Too bad that's not how the matches go. Guys score, then shut it down and basically stall to secure the win. Go to Fargo and that's exactly how the Minnesota kids are coached to do it. Score, grab a 2 on 1 and hold on for the win. BORING!

PAProud 2 years ago

It is really easy to make the rules a non-factor.

Most people do not like the ball-grab. Simple solution = SCORE
(But coach, he's really tough, and im afraid that If I shoot I'll get scored on and I'll lose...)
Most people dont like the push-out rule. Simple solution = STAY IN THE CENTER
(But coach, hes really mean and tough, if I stay in the center I'll lose...)

2 years ago

They think its boring because there is virtually no action and the rules are dumb. Thus, the reason why there are no people in the stands.

2 years ago

any of these as long as its not football, or baseball for christ's sake

PAProud 2 years ago

People who hate on Free/Greco hide from getting their asses whooped. There are no rules in Free/Greco to protect pansies. If you stall in free/greco, you at least got to be tough to do it.

When a good folk wrestler tries out freestyle, and their only goal is to win, they will take a folkstyle approach to winning the free/greco bout. This equates to the "easiest" strategy that they can see, and that would be to push the guy out of bounds, not take any risk, and rely on their superior conditioning to win the match.(As opposed to actually learning the skills required to score quickly and effectively with proper technique, position, and agression) This is why the U.S. is producing such boring matches that all of these folkstyle guys are pointing to saying "look how boring!!" These matches are boring because of the folkstyle minded approach to free/greco, not because of the free/greco rules.

pete 2 years ago

60 folk
30 free
5 greco
5 beach or judo

2 years ago

agreeing with the guy below me, wrestling the international styles can be one of the best ways to see the best competition. You can go to your free/greco state tournament, which is always interesting in those states with multiple divisions because you could have several champs in the same weight class (i remember a year back a brutal weight at my freestyle state with three folkstyle state champs who would have never competed with each other otherwise)
Following the state, a wrestler could attend his regional, where more state champs and a few AA's are likely to appear, and he could could also try to qualify for his national duals team and fargo, where you will run into state champ after state champ, nationally ranked opponents, and many highly recruited athletes. If you want to wrestle the best competition, free and greco in the summer time is the way to go

Robert Gacad 2 years ago

Lots of good points on why you should wrestle Greco/Freestyle in the summer. One point I'll add is seeking out the best competition, which in the summer you can find them wrestling the international styles.

CrossTraining 2 years ago

Freestyle and Greco are definitely the most important in the summer because they're main focus is neutral wrestling, which as everyone knows can be the difference in a match. The international styles also teach you anticipate what is coming when you are on bottom and get into defense early, I heard Dennis Hall say that specifically. If you look at the kids that are at the top of the folkstyle world in highschool such as Logan Stieber... or guys in college like Jake Varner, Jake Hebert, Brent Metcalf, all do freestyle in the offseason. Greco is also big because it focuses on pummeling and not giving up position.

INSIGHT123 2 years ago

Hey I appreciate both styles and instead of tryna figure out which 1 is better I was wondering if any1 knows of any tournaments tht are coming up both folkstyle n freestyle in which college wrestlers can compete that are in PA. So if any1 knows can you help me and sum other wrestlers out and help us find them.

THANKS GUYS!!!!!!!!

duh 2 years ago

no wrestling is going to hert your skills

hello 2 years ago

a people ive been wrestling about 2 years now my 1st year i made it 2 regionals and my second year i placed 3rd at states the point is i weight lifed and did all 3 styles 2 a tournament i got better in a lot of places and i felt more comfortable on my feet so just do them some of these people dont know what there talking about you see every ncaa champ has done all 3 so do them ad dont worry i promise youll get better

and also 2 years ago

every brandon wrestler that has been wrestling in collage has been a all american

yes 2 years ago

i agree with the dude below and the dude that said brandon wrestlers dont do any thing i collage wait next year when eric grajales wins the finals

knownothing 2 years ago

The last few posts are missing the piont it isnt about which style is better, but what mixture is ideal to devolope into a quality wrestler and the bottom line is as long as your wrestling your getting better, so you shouldn't worry about the style as much and wrestlers should just get on the mat and work no matter if it is free, folk, or greco.

2 years ago

That's the kind of excitement that fills stands.(sarcasm)

shrooms 2 years ago

so much excitement you can almost hear a pin drop at th US Open

2 years ago

If there was competitive excitement, there would be fans in the stands regardless. And since there really isn't, your point holds no water.

JP Pierre 2 years ago

the reason for the lack of attendance at those events is because you have individuals going to compete. you don't get the OSU or iowa croewd following their former favorites to the US Open. The NCAAs have fans that follow their teams. You know which wrestlers are showing up for three days. There is a season to follow and team titles on the line. I agree, you cannot compare the US Open to the NCAAs. As for competitive excitement and having to constantly wrestle to win, I have to five the nod to freestyle and Greco.

2 years ago

PAProud you forgot to add the ever exciting ball grab and the fact only about 4 moves are even used in freestyle anymore(gutwrench, a single, maybe a leg lace and lay on the mat and hope I don't get turned). You want to talk about excitement? Just look at the empty stands during the US Open and WTT's. So, exciting you can hear a pin drop.

PAProud 2 years ago

How can I forget to add stalling to the folkstyle list!!!! OMG. The most subjective call in any sport is cherished by folkstyle rule lovers! Why is that do you ask? I have no freaking clue!

PAPRoud 2 years ago

This one is easy.

On one side you have the folkstyle rule lovers, who cherish the "edge of the mat" wrestling, saftey "stale-mate calls" to bail them out of "sticky situations", "crappy shooting" into admittedly exciting "scrambles", time outs for "mystery pains", strict penalties for being "too rough" or throwing your opponent "too high", that oh so admirable "riding time" point which showcases the top mans "ability to stall", and the "super comebacks" by the technically inferior wrestlers who have more heart and bigger lungs.
On the other side you have the freestyle/greco rule lovers who cherish the offensive reward of the push-out rule, "3pt - 5pt throws" which can be as brutal and as high as you can throw the guy, "brutal turns" which put the bottom man in a great deal of "discomfort", the "perfect set-up and takedown technique" necessary to take a guy down with-out being exposed, the "two-period" win if you are dominant, and the general development of "athleticism and explosiveness" which translates directly into folkstyle.
Nobody likes the clinch rule in free.
Done. Anything else you read is a bunch of B.S.

JP Pierre 2 years ago

everyone has an opinion on this one. The birth of the team camp has pretty much become the biggest dent in the freestyle/Greco world. Once coaches realized they could get their kids 20 matches in folkstyle at various team camps around the country, they suddenly took the emphasis off of becoming a well-rounded wrestler. I don't think the college coaches intended this to happen, but with making so much money on these camps, they could not pass it up.

There are many great benefits to freestyle and Greco. Freestyle and Greco still offer some of the best matches kids can get in a year. They both teach wrestlers how to be more controlled with technique, take better shots with better technique and faster finishes, wrestle with the lost art of using the upper body, improve toughness on bottom, and expose kids to opportunities they may have never had otherwise.
To say that focussing on one style is a good thing is absurd. The fact of the matter is, folkstyle is exclusive to America. If anything, shifting to freestyle and Greco year-round would be much more prosperous for our country on the international scene (that will never happen though). Not only that, It would offer more kids an opportunity to compete and become champions. This would mean growth in participation for our sport. Imagine having a kid who loses the freestyle wrestle-off by one point, but he decides to focus on Greco and goes on to win state there.
Overall, every coach has a different belief and focus. I happen to think that a mix is the best option due to the fact that folkstyle exists.

2 years ago

How well are those Brandon wrestlers doing in college after spending all that time being great at Greco? I believe Franklin Gomez is the only one who has had any success and I believe he was a transfer from another country.

noxx 2 years ago

How about folkstyle and a black belt in judo !
This combo was good for a state title in ohio at 155lbs.

hold up 2 years ago

2 the dude that said greco is weak you dont know wrestling i wrestle in florida and there is a team called brandon high school i know you heard of them and if you didnt look them up but almost every wrestler they have has won states and is ranked nationaly but my point is all they do is greco an there beast so if you dont know wrestling dont talk or misenform people to every wrestler mix all of them you get better every where doing that and do 2 a tournament and to all you old ass wrestlers you dont know what your talking about makes no sense

me 2 years ago

Not only will practicing all 3 styles make you a better wrestler (see below arguments), but it will also keep you fresh and loving the sport. Cross-training changes things up and keeps it interesting. We're all in the sport to have fun, right? Well let's keep it that way...

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