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USA Wrestling And NUWAY

Joe Williamson 2 years ago

I have been hearing a lot of talk about these two organizations over the couple of weeks and have heard many interesting points. In your eyes what are pros and cons of either organization. Could either of these organizations play a bigger role in growing wrestling at the college level?

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goflo 1 year ago

USAW has needed to change for years. If your not part of there clique then they could care less about you.. Its all about the $ with them and always will be. I think its great we have another choice and this has been needed for a long time. USAW has done this to themselves by there over the top $ costs for everything. I hope that usaw makes the needed changes so they will become the organization they should have been all along. 1. Lower costs. 2. run better tournaments. 3. give back more to college programs and youth wrestling. 4. make some major changes on who is in charge of most states. 5. Have usaw staff take some sensitivity classes( They can be very rude).

Aaron Dowden 1 year ago

ALL STATE ORGANIZATIONS ARE NOT EQUAL!

In Indiana the ISWA is very responsive to the wrestling community at large and has responded accordingly throughout the years. ISWA has added a huge folkstyle season because that's what people want. ISWA has 4-6 folkstyle events every weekend from mid-December through the end of March. They have a middle school folkstyle team state tournament, elementary duals state tournament, Middle school individual state tournament, and folkstyle state tournaments for every age group pee-wee through Juniors. They still have a little trouble with some tournaments being slow or poorly ran. But from what I hear they're considering several different options from members in addressing these issues including limiting the number of participants, strict pairing requirements or no longer granting sanction to previously poorly ran tournaments. They're also VERY transparent with open books and open meetings to any card holder willing to come and voice their opinions. In my opinion, a fine youth organization with tremendous volunteerism and knowledgeable veterans like the ISWA could break away from USAW and do better/fine on it's own.

Josh Adams 1 year ago

I can verify that USAW has not changed a thing as far as the experience for the youth wrestlers and parents at their tournaments. After wrestling all summer at SCWAY tournaments finding plenty of mat time sometimes with much older opponents, we attended a local USA tournament in Sacramento, CA- SAWA.

Immediately we were blown off and treated rudely when the USA staff could not take 2 seconds out to answer which mat the little ones would be placed on, someone grumbled "all over" as there were two gyms and I bring toys for the kids to play with as I am holding off on the Nintendo DS as long as possible, I just wanted to know which corner to go to? Simple right? My wife and I are looking at each other like why are we being treated like this and feeling very uncomfortable?

That may have been just a misread right? Nope, the scribbled on brackets came out and we had 1 match after a 2 hour drive and not even best of 3! I asked my wife to straighten this out as I stood by quietly and she is very nice and has a pleasant voice, again she was talked to rudely and told the brackets will not be changed. I stepped in and requested the 4-5 matches promised in the flyer and explained that I can not have over 4 hours of drive time in for 3 minutes of mat time and my son would gladly wrestle up in age anyone close in weight to get his mat time. I was yelled at by the USA TD that the brackets would not be changed and the usual USA TD intimidation tactics were used, not backing down he finally gave me a round robin and exhibition time. However I was unable to find a willing participant to exhibition and the single opponent would not wrestle after 2 matches.
Why is this so important? None of this has ever and probably will ever happen at a SCWAY event. The staff has worked with me to make better wrestlers providing mat time and any help requested.

I am not sure about the SCWAY insurance, in California the land of litigation, I think you better stay on your toes insurance wise.

As far as which tournament a new young wrestler should go to, that would be SCWAY providing a rich wrestling experience and no intimidation to unsuspecting parents.
I am an unbiased parent of a young wrestler and hold both cards, I love Freestyle and most of all Greco but our children are required to perform Folkstyle if they would like to wrestle in school. SCWAY has provided our family with an enjoyable wrestling experience versus dealing with the USA -if you do not like it go somewhere else attitude. We used to have to shut up or risk being blackballed from wrestling, USA could basically do whatever they liked to you and your wrestlers.
Brian,

The San Joaquin Wrestling Association (USAW) has taken notice of the need for quality wrestling events in CA. We have listened to coaches and parents, as well as wrestlers and have made some key changes to the way we run our tournaments. I invite you to attend one of our events this season and promise that we will do everything we can to make your experience first rate. Feel free to contact me with any questions.

Josh Adams
SJWA Director
209-765-5203
jiadams8@yahoo.com

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I bet they don't respond 2 years ago

Las Vegas was a joke, are you kidding me?? I thought it was a pretty good tournament especially if you consider that it was just the first year. If you and your son were so disappointed why didn't you show up this morning like anyone else who wanted more matches, yeah thats right, they probably had 150 kids show up this morning and they let them get more matches in. If you were so disappointed it was only 1 day why didn't you and your son show up this morning?

2 years ago

Las Vegas was a joke. The tournament only lasted one day instead of two. I took my son and was very disappointed. They also charged too much.

Brian Skellenger 2 years ago

Las Vegas will have 800-1000 participants providing the Western United States with a highly competitive event in a Halloween Las Vegas location (Bally's). NUWAY should be providing an exceptionally fun Halloween for any wrestler.

Brian Skellenger 2 years ago

I can verify that USAW has not changed a thing as far as the experience for the youth wrestlers and parents at their tournaments. After wrestling all summer at SCWAY tournaments finding plenty of mat time sometimes with much older opponents, we attended a local USA tournament in Sacramento, CA- SAWA.

Immediately we were blown off and treated rudely when the USA staff could not take 2 seconds out to answer which mat the little ones would be placed on, someone grumbled "all over" as there were two gyms and I bring toys for the kids to play with as I am holding off on the Nintendo DS as long as possible, I just wanted to know which corner to go to? Simple right? My wife and I are looking at each other like why are we being treated like this and feeling very uncomfortable?

That may have been just a misread right? Nope, the scribbled on brackets came out and we had 1 match after a 2 hour drive and not even best of 3! I asked my wife to straighten this out as I stood by quietly and she is very nice and has a pleasant voice, again she was talked to rudely and told the brackets will not be changed. I stepped in and requested the 4-5 matches promised in the flyer and explained that I can not have over 4 hours of drive time in for 3 minutes of mat time and my son would gladly wrestle up in age anyone close in weight to get his mat time. I was yelled at by the USA TD that the brackets would not be changed and the usual USA TD intimidation tactics were used, not backing down he finally gave me a round robin and exhibition time. However I was unable to find a willing participant to exhibition and the single opponent would not wrestle after 2 matches.
Why is this so important? None of this has ever and probably will ever happen at a SCWAY event. The staff has worked with me to make better wrestlers providing mat time and any help requested.

I am not sure about the SCWAY insurance, in California the land of litigation, I think you better stay on your toes insurance wise.

As far as which tournament a new young wrestler should go to, that would be SCWAY providing a rich wrestling experience and no intimidation to unsuspecting parents.
I am an unbiased parent of a young wrestler and hold both cards, I love Freestyle and most of all Greco but our children are required to perform Folkstyle if they would like to wrestle in school. SCWAY has provided our family with an enjoyable wrestling experience versus dealing with the USA -if you do not like it go somewhere else attitude. We used to have to shut up or risk being blackballed from wrestling, USA could basically do whatever they liked to you and your wrestlers.

2 years ago

Like I said, "No Class."

2 years ago

No class? We wouldn't be where we're at now if anyone from USAW had any class, including the majority of the state organizations and the good ol boys who run them.

2 years ago

I understand SCWAY and ORWAY are working hard to start their new organization. What I don't understand, is why do you have to rant about USA Wrestling so much? You guys have absolutely no class. I'm so tired of reading your lies and rumors. Fact is, USA Wrestling had record card sales last year. They must be doing something right. You keep complaining about salaries. They make far less than swimming, track, volleyball, basketball.. List goes on. Not to mention, i think only 2 dollars of each card goes to salaries and benefits. They get their money from Olympic grants not from kids. Why so jealous? You are just like the kid that picks on others to make yourself feel better. Enough all ready, it's getting old.

CA Scrapper 2 years ago

CA Scrapper your out of your mind. The Tulare event had 1 HS State place winner because his HS Coach made him go as he is on the USAW board we had 3 alone in his weight class at Lemoore and two that beat him last year. We had the best rookies and lightweights there at the kids level. We now have 40 clubs in the Central Valley alone and 150 in the state. They are not doing both a few will but the majority will wrestle spring folkstyle/dual trips. Many of the parents are driving the ship as they are sick of the way they have been treated. Your very mistaken if you think we wont have events all year and trips monthly. AZ, NV, OR, WA, AK, UT the whole region will be shuttling kids around.

Keep doing what your doing and you will keep getting what your getting
I don't think you read my comment correctly. There was no mention of HS wrestlers. I was referring to the little guys who attended Tulare vs. Lemoore. But that is way past us. Listen, that's great that SCWAY is having an increase in participation (As I expected and stated). I just think the line on the sand has been drawn which makes this a sad situation for wrestling.

Baseball can have little league vs. Pony league and football can have Pop Warner vs. Junior All American and still have sufficient amount of teams in each league to compete against and still be competitive. In baseball alone, my town has two little leagues, with a combined approximate total of between 400-500 boys between the ages of 6 and 12 playing. My kids wrestling club only had 39 kids between the ages of 6 and 14 in one city of a population of 110,000. A tournament with approximately 400-500 kids is a large tournament of course, but keep in mind, these are kids within four counties. This is the same amount of kids participating in one town in baseball alone.
So to have two leagues competing, does in fact create a large problem. The manner in which the supposed problem with USA wrestling is being addressed has just made youth wrestling in California less appealing in my opinion. It is absurd to tell one league to step aside, keep your freestyle and Greco, we will take over the part of the year all wrestlers participate in wrestling.
I would have preferred, SCWAY taking Saturday tourneys, thereby really giving kids the ability to wrestle one of the two days or both.

2 years ago

That is very ignorant thinking.

2 years ago

Parents don't even ask when they sign up because they just want their kids to compete. The only people crying about insurance are the people working for USAW to scare people away. The interesting thing is, in any other youth sport, no one seems to whine about insurance. Not even in youth football. Maybe thats the reason why those other sports thrive because its about getting kids competing and with the USAW folks its all about control. If people wish to sign up with another organization, they should have the freedom to do so without having to worry about USAW people trying to scare them into staying put.

2 years ago

I have tried and the coach said 10K, but he was not certain. I thought this had to be wrong, but apparently it's true. I hope parents are being informed when they sign up.

Zooo2 2 years ago

why don't you guys just contact someone fron nuway. Flo is a kind of a different place to solicit this information.

Bear125 2 years ago

Still didn't answer the insurance question. What is the accidental coverage? Can I get a dollar amount please? Thanks

2 years ago

Wow, at least spell your harsh words correctly. Are you from the Zoolander school for kids that don't read so good?

2 years ago

USAW is really grasping now. Rather than change their methods, they complain about insurance. Those guys truely are clueless.

Zooo 2 years ago

this is USA wrestlings strategy. The NUWAY insurance is very solid and meets the needs of people who host events and run practices. It is really a non issue that they are trying to make an issue of. They need something else better than this to turn things around. NUWAY isn't their problem. They (USA W) are their own worst problem. In my opinion of course.

Bear125 2 years ago

Still didn't answer the insurance question. What is the accidental coverage? I need to know.

2 years ago

In my state USAW tournaments are some of the worst ran tournaments around and the most expensive. I've been to some NUWAY tournaments and they are far superior than USAW on all levels, including state organization. In my state, the USAW folks could care less about the kids and the parents and are only concerned with their own pockets and do nothing to benefit the kids. Sure, maybe NUWAY's insurance isn't as good as AAU or USAW, but what they make up for is a far greater experience for the kids and I, along with many others I've spoke with are okay with that.

Frankly, I'm sick and tired of all these USAW folks trying to scare people away with fears of spinal injuries. If that is your tactic to try and win people back over to your side, you clearly don't understand what people really want with this sport and never will.
Easy there ErnieRockwell.

2 years ago

In my state USAW tournaments are some of the worst ran tournaments around and the most expensive. I've been to some NUWAY tournaments and they are far superior than USAW on all levels, including state organization. In my state, the USAW folks could care less about the kids and the parents and are only concerned with their own pockets and do nothing to benefit the kids. Sure, maybe NUWAY's insurance isn't as good as AAU or USAW, but what they make up for is a far greater experience for the kids and I, along with many others I've spoke with are okay with that.

Frankly, I'm sick and tired of all these USAW folks trying to scare people away with fears of spinal injuries. If that is your tactic to try and win people back over to your side, you clearly don't understand what people really want with this sport and never will.

Bear125 2 years ago

I called our coach last night and told me he thinks we only have 10K accidental. Is this true?

2 years ago

What is NUWAY accidental insurance? Still didn't answer the question. That's great AAU and USAW feel that insurance is so important. Why don't you? We have millions of people in the US each year that have to file for medical bankruptcy because of poor insurance. Bottom line, Wrestling has more serious injury's PER PARTICIPANT than any other sport. Yes, that is including football. By the way, in my state your tournaments actually cost more than USAW sanctioned events. You really are not cheaper like you claim.

2 years ago

BTW, AAU has the best insurance coverage for secondary medical. I believe they have double the cap that USAW has and its far cheaper as well.

2 years ago

What it proves is USAW is spending too much in youth insurance when you compare the numbers to other sports. USAW costs should actually be much lower.

2 years ago

What is NUWAY, MYWAY.. accidental insurance coverage? Someone told me only $25K. Is this true? It seems to be a big secret. Is there a policy posted or website I can look at? Thanks

2 years ago

Point proven.. USAW has "THE BEST" insurance of all sports. Wow, I didn't know this until now. Thanks for the info.

2 years ago

To Parent, sure hope none of your kids do any other sports in their lifetime, especially football because youth football has the same amount of coverage as NUWAY does. Better not play youth soccer because they have less coverage than football does.

Fact is, MYWAY and other NUWAY states have been operating for years with your supposed, less and superior insurance and people seem to be very okay with that. Seems to me the only people whining about insurance all the time are the USAW diehards that use it as a scare tactic.
Don't worry though, you can keep scaring people about the insurance and NUWAY will slowly continue to add states around the nation for our youth to wrestle in at a much cheaper rate.

Parent 2 years ago

I have two boys that wrestle under the age of 10. I for one would never let my kids wrestle without a USA Insurance Card. I have insurance but we all know this sport is dangerous. Why take the chance with any other card? I will gladly pay 15 extra dollars to have a good secondary policy. Spinal injury's could require physical therapy for life and most primary insurance companies would only cover a few months. I hope NUWAY, MYWAY, ORWAY, ect.. are informing parents of their less superior insurance card. Just my two cents.

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