Shannyn J. Gillespie
9 months ago
I don't hate women's wrestling - but you probably do.
Wrestling need womens wrestling!! attracting women to the sport brings in more individuals which brings up the popularity which means $$ for the sport. a sport that doesnt genrate revunue will eventually be cancelled
Your work is appreciated Shannyn. Keep it up.
First, a lot of haters hate this thread - and will hate my rhetorical questions...
Second, where did title nine come from? What were the reasons the powers felt it was needed?
Title 9 BAD. Yes I agree. Womens wrestling still a good thing. Title 9 bad. Still, womens wrestling good.
let me revise that question:
How does a rise in popularity of women's wrestling affect men wrestling (disregarding title 9).
title 9- bad for men's wrestling and forced inequalities among colleges. it is the cancer that has led to the demise of countless programs with storied histories and is in dire need of revision
womens wrestling- if women want to wresetle, it is not our place to tell them they cannot. just as with women's mma and boxing, some women enjoy the competition and thrill of combat sports. it is prejudice to say that one group can rightfully do one thing while another cannot when the other group is fully capable. if someone is able to do something that is worthwhile, does not harm others, and it is fully within reasonable limits, then they should be allowed, no questions asked.
now, women wrestling men; that's another issue. no, we are not physiologically equal, so no, we should not wrestle each other.
i guess we should be asking: how does an rose in popularity of women's wrestling hurt mens wrestling (disregarding title 9)? i am interested in the possible answers.
FAN I can tell it hurts to think.
There is a simple answer. Allow women wrestle to everyone; yes that means the men. That will prove that they are just as good and deserving. Every sport should be like that.
are there any hot women wrestling?
This post, thread, forum is good to read from the first page till now. It reveals what the pros & cons of women's wrestling and certainly brings light to this very important issue that many people, magazines, websites, tv, radio, media, etc. are unlikely to disucss openly.
You go around bashing others who you don't even know. What you don't know is that I coach a men & women at the college level. Funny thing is how uneducated the majority of your posts make you look. Anybody that has to resort to name calling has the maturity level of a child. Every continuing post helps spread the news about women's wrestling.
I dont think your hate for women will ever keep women's wrestling from growing, but you can sure try. Is your best way to protest women's wrestling? lame.
I couldn't agree more. Go titty bump on your own time. shoot you don't even need mats for that!
Aaron "douche" Meister thinks Shannon is an idiot because he definately did not dispute that. lmfao. You women's coaches need to start your own little clique and leave the real wrestling fans alone.
What a surprise another womens wrestling coach trying to validate their job on the flo forum that some jackas$ who is also a women's coach started.
No it won't! Just like women's wrestling won't go away.
No it won't!
please stop responding to this idiot and his stupid thread. I promise it will go away.
Canada and even some of the smaller colleges in the USA have started adding 'dual programs' like some swimming and track programs (1 head coach for both teams) at other USA colleges. This concept has not caught on with the bigger colleges in the USA yet for wrestling.
On another note, revenue, cash, greenbacks appear to dominate decision makers minds. Not many revenue sports are every dropped or cut. And you are right, " it is a rare case a men's wrestling team is dropped for a women's wrestling program." Nowadays, small schools are adding men's programs or women's programs or both. Smaller colleges are usually enrollment driven or they tend to make more money if more students apply. Larger colleges of 20-30k students do not seem to care if 50-70 more students attend their schools like a small college of 2-3k students.
It is difficult to erase the past and start now. In other words, several centuries of discrimination for women's sports can not be wiped out overnight or even in 50-60 years. This is what we are dealing with. It is unfair and I understand this. The past likely was unfair too and this past wasn't so long ago (less then my age). Although you and I did not create this scenario - we have to deal with it and make the best of it. Unfortunately, in my opinion, there are no easy solutions.
at times title IX has been misused and abused, just like every other law on the books.
it creates a legal loop hole to discriminate against male sports. even if those male sports are more commercially viable than the female sport replacing it.
male sports subsidize the ability of title IX to even operate. creating an inefficient allocation of resources, which has a much larger impact on the smaller more obscure men's sports, such as wrestling.
title IX is actually one of the largest hurdles the sport of wrestling has to overcome, as it is a rare case a men's wrestling team is dropped for a women's wrestling program.
Here are my thoughts (read opinion) on "what if it were pushed the other way?" :
Historically, things have never been pushed the other way. Males have dominated industry, sports, jobs, government, really you name it...movies, orchestras, school boards, etc. Thus, in my opinion, this is a key reason why a lot of laws have been made to right -what the powers that be- believe is a wrong, unconstitutional. Title IX just didn't come out of no where. It was created on the books or through law b/c females were being discriminated against at public federally funded higher education systems i.e. colleges, universities, jr. colleges, etc. Think about this: half the world is male/female and half the world just started getting support in all sports in the last 100 years or so. In the USA, the push was actually increased around the 1970s due to Title IX. Many parts of the world still do not include women in sports. In the USA, the powers that be (NCAA, USOC, & others) have tried to level the playing field against a lot, a lot, a lot of resistance by people who believe women should not compete in sports.
answer hey shannon's "what if it were pushed the other way?"
As a High School,
There are a lot of parents who live through their children in all walks of life and sport. Most if not all parents need coaches education classes and parent of athlete education classes in my opinion. Then again, a lot of parents need to learn how to be better parents in general which is a whole different concept that is related to this topic and deserves its own forum.. Suffice it to say there are good coaches and bad coaches - there are good parents and bad parents.
Support is a key factor in success studies have shown over the last century or so. So if a student in any endeavor believes the teacher, parent, system supports them (with out any strings attached), that student has a higher probability to succeed according to the research experts. I believe if more parents, coaches, admistrators were educated about girls in sport, there would be less law suits, less girls versus boys, and more opportunity for all.
Female sport has just started really in the last 100 years while male sport has been around for 2 millenia. Really, the last 40 years or so, female sport has gained some momentum. The point is, we have a ways to go regarding everything being equal. I realize minds will take time to adjust and some minds will never adjust based on the law of averages.
Support can go along way in helping our sport grow for both genders. That's part of it. In terms of USA dominating the sport internationally, we have a whole lot of work to do to catch Russia and Japan.
High School coach we put on a couple pee-wee tournaments every year and here is what I see...99% of the girls that wrestle at the pee-wee level seem to be forced to by their fathers. I also don't see these fathers with any young sons at the tournament. Therefore I have logically concluded that they are attempting to live vicariously through their young daughters which is sad. They seem to want to boost their egos by the "my little girl beat your little boy" notion. This is pathetic. These girls do not want to be out there competing I might add. We had a freshman 103 pounder that almost quit the sport because a girl beat him. We had to coax him back out, and after wrestling year-round for a couple years he placed at states and that girl cannot even make the other team's lineup. We have had a couple girls come out, but they have not made it past the first week. We aren't they type to run people off. Every year a couple boys come out who have never wrestled, and 50% of them seem to make it through the season. The girls who come out just want it handed to them, and I hate to say this but they have been emos or dyke-ish.
this dumbas$ thread go away? For that matter, when will Shannon go away.
What if this was pushed in the other direction? What if a bunch of young slightly less masculine men demanded to have softball teams at the high school or collegiate level? By the agenda you are pushing, their opportunity would have to be granted, even though there is minimal demand.
It is not stereotypical to say wrestling is pretty far down the list of sports women chose to participate in. That is a fact.
Stereotypes are founded off anecdotal evidence and then extrapolated for the whole.
You guys know all girls play with dolls and love cheerleading is a stereotype right???
Lets go a bit further, do you know what a stereotype is??? This forum is full of them.
Just becasue you oppose the growth of womens wrestling does not make you a as you call it a (REAL MAN). Thats just silly.
Girls should not wrestle = opinion, not fact.
Last, just becasue you feel so strong in your opinion does not make it more than just that. (An opinion)
I get what most of you are saying and that is why this post was started - to create dialogue.
Obviously, everyone is going to have their own opinions and I respect that. I do not think our sport will stop wrestling for men or women and do want women to have all the same opportunities that men have in our sport (I think this makes a lot of people angry, hateful, mad). Seems like a lot of folks are angry men's porgrams are being dropped and women's added. While some others simply do not women to wrestle because wrestling is a man's sport.
Again, I respect your views and opinions.
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