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Uploaded by Mark Bader | November 5, 2010

Ben Askren gives his take on the USA wrestling situation and why they had a very unsuccessful year. He thinks the problem is that people think they have the answer when there is not just one answer, but an accumulation of things is why we are not having success.

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twilly 3 years ago

Yup, one definite problem is that unlike other non-revenue sports out there, we are trying to promote three different sports. I mean, if we were field hockey and we wanted to grow our sport and compete for the world title, at least we could say, here's our sport, these are the rules, this is what we need to do. But, with wrestling, there is folkstyle, freestyle, greco, all the rules different, you wrstle them at different points of your career, there is no cohesiveness.

Steve bj jobby job 3 years ago

Very good take I remember that wrestling in the off season all freestyle and everything in a national tourney now!

3 years ago

Let's take the cash that we waste on the absurd project of women's wrestling and devote it to funding the wonderful and little known D3 collegiate wrestling programs like Montclair State (53 D3 All Americans and 7 D1 All Americans) that have been disbanded. It is an absolute joke that USA Wrestling would allow a programs like Montclair State and so many others to be shut down while pumping money into women's wrestling. Sadly, it's not surprising that the leadership of USA Wrestling has been infected by today's absurd "Diversity" culture.

Steven H 3 years ago

Rick Hahne, most of what MMA fighters pull from wrestling is balance and take downs. Freestyle emphasizes these things. Folkstyle wrestlers spend way too much time crawling around on all fours -- usually 2 to 4 minutes per match. That isn't helpful for MMA 'cause if you are crawling on all fours, you'll get freakin' thrown or pounced in some other way.

Americans need to realize we are part of the world, and get on with taking freestyle much more seriously. Gold medals in Olympic wrestling hold much more punch than an gold medals at the NCAAs.

Rick Hahne 3 years ago

Hey so what if Folkstyle doesn't make Olympic champions. It does make world champion fighters! Maybe we ought to thank MMA for giving our elite wrestlers another avenue finally! Guess what wrestling is a combat sport that prepares athletes to competeatthe highest level!

Ben Congrats on your championship. I watched the fight and even though it was not pretty you dominated by having excellent control. That is what Folkstyle teaches! Thank You!

3 years ago

Living the Dream fund is a joke! Call it the Wasting the Money Fund!

exgrappler43 3 years ago

Ben makes some great points -- there are lots of factors and no single answer. There is too much emphasis on folkstyle. If we want to catch up in a hurry, get the NCAA to evolve to Freestyle and ultimately have it so colleges can field Freestyle and/or Greco teams. Start with the push-out rule, neutral starts on out of bounds, etc. If NCAA starts wrestling FS and Greco, rest assured the HS kids will be wrestling FS and Greco to get prepared and recruited. As for the fear of the demise of our folkstyle, let it go people -- the rest of the world is wrestling FS and Greco and if we want to be the best we need to focus on it. We also need to expand upon what Dave Barry and Mike Novogratz have done with the Living the Dream fund. Our best guys should not be starving -- they should make a decent living and be incentivized to stick around for multiple Olympic cycles.

3 years ago

Yep he nailed on the spot! Usa Wrestling wants to make money with the folkstyle tournaments and everything is called a national event. we just got back from preseason nationals in iowa. But hey im ok with folkstyle tournaments because folkstyle is what your kid has a better chance of getting a little help for college. Look at all the college money for wrestling D11 D1 heck you got a better chance of getting a partial ride to school than making a usa freestyle spot 7 spots is it compare to schoold dividing up scholarship money..

wake up 3 years ago

We finally have a professional product path in MMA, and you wanna cry about freestyle vs folkstyle? It's like saying "thanks but no thanks, NFL, ESPN, Nike, .....we'd rather 'keep it real' and play two hand touch at the park for the glory"

if you were about to fight for a million dollars, and needed good training....where would you rather go? the haphazard catch as catch can 'olympic training' center in colorado (and hopefully bump into 2 partners that might wanna go hard for a few?) or in a Iowa, Iowa State, OSU, PSU, ASU wrestling room with alumni they stick around out of pride and respect for their brand of @sskicking? I think the answer is simply obvious. Freestyle Vs. Folkstyle....bah. You're just obsolete and missing the point.
Unless USA wrestling figures out how to change the climate and environment of how it prioritizes the care, respect, and compensation of our Olympic representatives, all we are seeing is the beginning of the mass exodus to MMA, UFC, etc..... it just makes practical sense. I think Ben was really candid when he spoke on the money comparison, and guess what........he's absolutely right. And for anyone that might say "we'll...they did it in the old days".......well....rent now is not the same as the old days...nor is food, cars, cost of living in general.
we (USA, USA wrestling, etc) are so far out of touch it is just sad.....and it's also quite revealing where their priorities are.
we need a robin hood, and flo is the best platform we've go at the moment to voice this needed change.

dd 3 years ago

I agree with a lot of Askren's points. To add to what he said, America spends more money on wrestling than any country in the world -- by a long shot. The thing is, 95% of that money goes to folkstyle (a style that, outside of school, is pretty much a dead end). The US sucks so bad at freestyle that I don't see us getting into the mix..ever. People will just hold on to the dead horse (folkstyle) until it's gone.

free the bird 3 years ago

PA, you are delusional if you think folkstyle has a chance to be exported and become an olympic sport. For heaven's sake, we can hardly keep interest in folkstyle in America. College programs are being cut every year, and outside of the midwest, attendence is at events is low. One thing we need to do is cut the folkstyle season, put more money in freestyle. Maybe even make freestyle a college sport.

3 years ago

another great example of wrestlers going into MMA is Frank Edgar

Mike Tamillow 3 years ago

The answer to many problems is always one solution

Daniel P 3 years ago

He is right that there are many solutions to USA wrestling.I bet brands bros, Gable, etc have grossed millions. They just live differently and don't give a . I hoenstly think wrestling needs more coverage in general. I was watching universal sports today and gymnastics was on TV. The 1990's saw a boom in gymnastics because the miracle team. Wrestling needs a miracle team to dominate an get that coverage. Ben, get some steaks on that face brother.

wow 3 years ago

Ben,

Stop renting out that face as a punching bag will ya?
It looks like someone crushed his whole head and then stuffed it back into the shell and sewed it up with chicken wire.
I am not a good looking guy, but Ben makes me feel like Brad Pitt.

3 years ago

good stuff

Real Deal 3 years ago

I like a lot of what he said, no one answer unfortunately.

The question is, with so MANY great college programs and wrestlers, why in the US it's not more in demand to watch (other the Flo that is)?? With demand comes TV rights, $$$$$ for advertising etc. I can tell you this watching freestyle match is not all entertaining... Maybe we need to focus bringing up College demand first and that would wash over to International. Just a thought.

PA 3 years ago

He mentions that the money is in folkstyle tournaments in the offseason and that is because it is more marketable because it is the American version of wrestling. Same as football and baseball derived from a foreign sport but was Americanized and is a huge success. Making freestyle a popular form of wrestling in the U.S. faces the same uphill battle that Rugby and Cricket fans have when trying to make their sport more mainstream. Eliminating folkstyle in scholastic wrestling to be replaced with freestyle would kill the sport as we know it.

Folkstyle in the olympics!

Outside the Box 3 years ago

Bag FS/GR, bag MMA. Some promoter needs to have the guts to try a professional folkstyle tournament series with good prize money (like Hargobind except bigger $). Bite the bullet for a year or two, grow the attention and see what happens. No one ever thought X-games/Dew Tour/etc would go anywhere and now it is rolling.

Eventually, the international competitors will join in as the money grows and then we don't have to put up with FS/GR and the crappy FILA oversight.

Howie Fartz 3 years ago

Hes pretty much telling it like it is. He's married and needs to make a living..... so anyone callin him a quitter is a putz. Hey Flo, maybe you guys should try a Flo freestyle nationals?

hick 3 years ago

He looks so beat up. Many of them do. One of the many things that I don't like about this sport. Coupleled with weight loss, ect.
In order for us to do better internationally the veterans to continue wrestling, adn they don't. Not when the sport pays them almost nothing compared to MMA. Lastly , Folkstyle needs to changes to be closer to freestyle. Any expusore should be points. There should be brief rest period like frees tyle. Also, in folkstyle, I am tired of watching kids flee the matt. But, the clinich sucks, and watching someone just lay there on the bottom is bogus as ell. etc. I think there need to be an extra point awarded if the wrestler initiates the move and scores with it, this would encourage risk taking. Right now Freestyle is too boring and too many high level matches are won at 2 -0, and its just plan boring. Wrestling needs to change or die a very slow death.

Dirty Bird 3 years ago

He makes some good points, even though he is a little different, I like Askren. Wish he was still wrestling but am glad he is doing something he likes and is successful at it. Hopefully we figure out how to be successful as a country in wrestling

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