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Uploaded by Mark Bader | January 5, 2013

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addiedog 4 months ago

I don't recall stating that the Iowa Style is a myth. Your micro-chip may have been activated as soon as you began watching the video.

Darius Levan 4 months ago

2R and 2N,

Bruce Steinel 4 months ago

that could have been called a 2 swipe. Either way, close call.

DoubleDown 4 months ago

I agree with addiedog, especially about how the "Iowa style" is a myth. And how this wouldn't even be a discussion if people weren't searching for something, anything, to knock about Iowa's crush of Ohio State.

mtm 4 months ago

yaa thats 2 n 2... SJ checks the score after he recovers from the cradle... he knew he was in some trouble... pretty shocked they didnt any points

Mike Murphy 4 months ago

dont u find it funny.. how a bunch of cowards.. post stuff like .. u never probably ever even wrestled before.. and the other guys is way better that the hawk guy... duh aim so tough...... well i worked 12 years in the state pen.. we call them cell warriors... hahaha .. but all aim saying is show your face before running your got damn mouth women.....

Riddle me this...... 4 months ago

..... If DSJ was "clearly" still in "control"... Why wasn't the ref counting swipes for him? With the cradle locked up, the position of Demas' back met criteria for NF2 for DSJ

TerpFan 4 months ago

I got three different angles on that in and in all three it looks like R2, N2.

Anonymous Coward 4 months ago

ncaa ref need to make the right calls. that was atleast 2 back points.

Gromit 4 months ago

I have to say, I'm REALLY surprised Mike McCormick missed this call (2 reversal at a minimum), he is usually one of the better/more consistent NCAA officials we have. What also concerns me is the fact that he and his assistant had a chance to go back and make corrections via the video review process and they didn't reverse the call...although, I'm not certain what changes are allowable during video review (anyone know?), maybe they are only allowed to change non-judgement calls (out-of-bounds, clock, illegal holds, etc.) through this process.

Jake Snake 4 months ago

T2 and N2 no doubt that Demas initiated the move and held him on his back for what I got as a 3 count. Guy might be a good ref but he seemed lax and not ready for this type of action.

ocw 4 months ago

C R A D L E! 2&2 Demas wins.

5 months ago

I think the ref made the right call. Mike McCormick is one of the best refs in the NCAA. His judgement is usually spot on.

drZ 5 months ago

scrambles are not always constant otherwise it would be scrambling

Anonymous Coward 5 months ago

Clearly 2 reversal and possibly NF if the reff woulda been in a better position...and even if it was only a reversal DSJ wouldn't have gotten another reversal anyway because shortly after tht there was a stalemate called...some of you need to learn your wrestling haha

Anonymous Coward 5 months ago

I like that Fvwrestler N is calling someone a moron and he can't even use the correct YOU'RE.

Iowa Officiating 5 months ago

This was a reversal and 2 back anywhere except Iowa. You can clearly see St. Johns arm flail to get himself off his back relinquishing any control he may have had. Doesn't matter if his other arm is just hanging around the leg. Demas established control with the cradle and turn and St. Johns right arm shows he lost control.

blackbug 5 months ago

Weighing in. I do not see much debate. Reversal and 2 NF for Demas. It is obvious that Demas had to try to adjust his position due to the official not giving the earned reversal destroying any theory that it would have been reversal and then another reversal. I also found it interesting how Demas tried to kick out his foot by kicking at the hands (chest area) and if you watch pretty closely St. John responds with a kick to the face of Demas. Pretty cheap in my opinion.

Fvwrestler N 5 months ago

second reversal... your a moron...if they had given 2 and 2 like it should have been demas would have been up 5-3 and wouldnt have bailed on the position. he had the corner and DSJ was trapped and couldnt go anywhere but the ref didnt give him the points probably b/c iowa threatened not to pay him if he didnt hose tOSU so he had bail on the position (at this point demas realized i need to get him flat on his back to just get 1 for an escape) he would have gotten the stalemate, restarted on top with a 5-3 lead. would have rode him log enough to get riding time which would have made DSJ have to get 2 takedowns to win and that wouldnt have happened.

legend wrestling 5 months ago

need some new ncaa refs!

homers 5 months ago

You mean like how the riding time clock screwed Ramos last year against Oliver. That match shouldn't have gone to OT. Ramos won in regulation.

flowrestling 5 months ago

Brands owned that mat official, per usual at the Arena.

second reversal 5 months ago

Even if they gave the reversal to Demas, they would have to give a reversal to St. John immediately after. He was indisputedly in control right after the cradle broke.

Colin Kenley 5 months ago

As soon as Ohio locked hands and covered the hips it was 2T. Probably also 2NF, but the ref may not have been in the right position to see a 2 count.

R Law 5 months ago

When you're locked in a cradle, by definition, you're not in control...it doesn't matter where St. John's arms were. Definitely 2 for reversal and if it's a reversal, it's 2 back points too.

mjmason1 5 months ago

Some of the comments here are comical. St. John is locked up in a cradle and has his shoulder on the mat, and you want us to believe that he never lost control? Uh, huh. Sure. Keep guzzling the Iowa Kool-Aid.

rharry616 5 months ago

If you have a front head lock locked up you have more control of your opponent right? But you don't have complete control so 2 points can not be awarded the same goes for this cradle. Sure Demas had a more dominant position but at no point in time he was in complete control of the situation. He never came out from in front to cover the hips and only held DSJ on his back for 1 maybe 2 seconds. The ref made the right decision and confirmed his decision during the replay.

livetowrestle 5 months ago

a cradle is control no matter what 2 reversal iffy on the back points could go either way but i would give 2 NF

Fvwrestler N 5 months ago

i love all of the he was in control. holding onto a leg while a guy has a LOCKED CRADLE and your leg hooked while you lay on your back is not control.

Anonymous Coward 5 months ago

2 reversal no back points it takes a second to establish control