NCAA Wrestling Championships 2012

Oliver didnt even wrestle at the trials

how quickly the ref calls two in the beggining of the video with oliver taking down kid from boise state...hmm makes the td at the end look more like a takedown to me

The situation at the end is a tough call. I'd say the ref was correct, and that's how I would have called it when I was a referee. The thing to keep in mind is that in folkstyle a takedown means you establish control. Oliver couldn't advance his position -- or if he could, he simply didn't try. His head was buried in Stieber's crotch, and he was unable to go anywhere. Thus it was a stalemate. Simple. As a matter of fact, the more I watch that part of the match, the more I am sure the ref made the right call. I've been watching this with some new refs to help train them...we are all in accord on this one.

i cant believe actually believe steiber won, flo should have blown this up more! wheres the thread for this!!? oliver clearly scored a takedown at the end!! both legs thats two!! oliver got screwed over big time!!!

i always thought oliver won that match..to me hes a two timer..that was a takedown..even the stupid ncaa announcers knew it, its so hard to watch a kid who works so hard (not saying steiber doesnt work just as hard) get screwed over a crappy non call..looked like two watching it live..still looks like two

Actually u can prob jus go ahead and say 2013..2014...AND 2015 Champ! Lol kid is amazing.

no, you can say 2013

Great job Stieber! He dictated the pace of the match and carried out his gameplan very well. JO didnt just all of the sudden stop wrestling on his feet, he was STOPPED by Stiebers superior defense. He wasnt allowing JO any good looks and couldnt get by his hands. Stieber was the better wrestler on this day in this match, no question about it. Those who believe otherwise need a reality check. Stieber is and always will be the 2013 NCAA national champ. If JO wants to finish his senior year with a championship, i suggest he move up to 141. If he were to beat Stieber in finals it was this year n he didnt get it done, Stieber will mature even more by next season and be untouchable.

if that last takedown was between the ring and it counts why not count it in the middle? 2!!!!!!!!!!

NO way
logan's attempted td in the first was rightfully not called. Jordan oliver was off the ground when stieber was behind him. no hands on the ground, no td. he did not flee the mat, he hip heisted and avoided the TD.
as for the last td....
how many times do we see that situation on the edge of the mat but get called 2... come on.
stiebers on his hip, jo has all control.
steiber should have just done a lap around the mat instead of risking
something like that

Watching this from home and taking out the magnitude of the situation at the time, the end feels totally different. The ref made a great call in not giving him the two

Had to check this out because so many friends have been asking about his. The scramble at the end looks like a stalemate, so the ref was correct; that's exactly how I would have called it. Now let's look at the other questionable calls: the ref might have given Oliver the takedown at the 2:48 mark in first period a bit too quickly, but it could go either way. Steiber almost had a takedown toward the end of the period, but Oliver fled the mat. Just a comment here: Collegiate style has gotten so subjective over the years -- the refs have a lot of say in a match. Not really the case in freestyle....much more objective. Another thing: let's get the pushout rule. I hate to see Oliver jump out of bounds to avoid a takedown after Stieber did all that work. Nothing against Oliver -- he's just playing by the rules. So we gotta change the rules. Too much "edge wrestling" in folkstyle, and it's boring and annoying to officiate.

My above comment, the same situation was towards the end of the first period, not 2nd.

Wow. The first time i have ever seen a retraction like the one CaliCoachN has given. My hat is off to you sir for sseing the error of your ways. Can't wait to watch Stieber wrestle the next three years. God luck Logan on your quest to wrestle in the olympics as well.