Iowa vs Oklahoma State

I will not sleep for the next 3 days... too keyed up.

"Gable Shame Pt. 3", since you are against discrimination, would you care to comment on all the institutionalized discrimination chronicled at CEOUSA.org ?

Living Legend, thank you. That was probably the best response to the hateful and baseless accusations below.

Cry baby cry. remember that tune. It does not matter who he recruited as long as they win. Period!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will recruit all of your mothers if i think it will make a tough lineup. I grew up idolizing gable and your not going to blow it for me just cause your a state rat. The only shame is that you can type. alot

Seriously some people just can't wait to drop it. I was coached by Gable and have been around him a lot for the last 20 years. I have also been around plenty of racists. Gable is not a racist.

If Coach Gable had behaved with his trademarked intensity while blessing out an African-American wrestler who wasn't living up to his perceived potential, would he have been called racist? Or dedicated? I don't think insta-deleting in forums is the answer to the "ism" problem that will persist as long as folks can sue regarding it either in courts or via the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. I think open debate is healthy for a society as ethnically diverse as our own. The truth usually finds its way to the top of the pile. If anyone can handle the heat and show us how best to handle it, it's Coach Dan Gable. Kudos to those who decided NOT to delete any of these posts, in my humble opinion.

I guess the NHL is racist too, not enough blacks in hockey. The NHL says they are not racists, but their ethnic stats tell another story. Then again, I think the NBA practices reverse racism. Not enough short white guys in the upper echelons of that sport. And just look at the way that golf held the likes of Tiger Woods back. That poor guy never got his chance at the spotlight. Life is so unfair, and it's demons like Dan Gable that work behind the scenes to hold the black man down and make it even more so. Hey, did you hear the one about how Gable secretly helped the LAPD plan and finance the Rodney Kind beating?

I cant believe some of these posts weren't insta-deleted. Mods, please clean up the garbage below.

I can't believe this turned into a "gable is racist" thread. I don't know Gable from a hole in the ground, but to make that assumption that he must be racist, by this one interview and his coaching past, seems to be a bit of a stretch.

I mean really, how many hispanics, black or whatever people are even wrestling overall? I know in some areas it it likely bigger than most places, due to the demographics of a town or area, but the percentage is probably really low. And how many of those kids are going to places like Fargo, NHSCA, FLO or wherever to challenge themselves and get recruited? How many are winning? Bottom line is, colleges are in the business of recruiting the best kids who fit their program and coaching styles and who the coaches feel will perform at their best. It is not their job to have affirmative action while recruiting. If a kid is good, they will end up at a program and do well, regardless if they are white, black, yellow, brown, red, purple, blue or the infamous green.
Here's a novel idea, watch the video, stick to the topic at hand and discuss that versus trying to turn this into some deep conspiracy about racism.

I'm not sure what Iowa State has to do with holding Gable accountable for actions. Nonetheless, at worse Gable has engaged in unethical perhaps even criminal behavior, at best it's troubling and morally repugnant. If those numbers are correct, then it's hard to defend Gable's conduct.

Iowa State has a history of wrestling that is inclusive and rich with the success stories which encompass every type of kid from every possible background. Including kids from Iowa.
It's worth noting that this is a non-issue at Nebraska, Oklahoma, Okie State. Come to think of it, I'd love to examine the numbers at Minnesota as well. I think Robinson is a Gable disciple. . . The NCAA is bereft of Black Wrestlers, yet at the Olympic Level it's almost 50 percent of the Team.
I find this interview extremely interesting because it gives you a glimpse into Gable's mentality in his own words. His description of Black Wrestlers is little more than a stereotypical viewpoint which is kind awful. So it wouldn't be a far leap to imagine his disdain resulting in some form of discriminatory or even hostility toward Italians, Blacks and Hispanics.
Perhaps the poster below is incorrect, and his analysis is flawed, political or motivated by some unknown variable. However, what if he's right. . . then what? You can never know what's in a man's heart, however you can still hold them accountable.

Are you surprised that that was posted? Such hypersensitivity has become the only way to keep the coaching staff intact in Ames at Gable's alma mater. Dan must not be trying hard enough to keep the present staff in power, so someone called him a racist on this page. Without such tactics, how else can one defend the status quo despite how history has been getting made recently in Ames?

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*ISU just had its first season without an All-American since '62;
*And its first consecutive losing seasons since...ever.
*And its lowest placing at NCAA tourney since...ever.
*All presided over by a head coach whose U.S.A. Wrestling coaching tenure was apparently the least successful since.. ever.
*As for Cyclone wrestling fans, attendance has fallen by double-digit amounts since as recently as half a decade ago.
- I suppose the only way to defend the status quo is to change the focus to supposed "isms" instead of progress. Thus far it's working. But is it true that litigation's brewing among aspiring coaching candidates, especially after Coach Zalesky endured what he did in Iowa City half a decade ago while his Ames counterpart hasn't been held accountable, in ways that are scrutinized at ceousa.org ?

If you are right about only 3 black wrestlers in 20 years I'll be impressed. I don't think Gable is a racist. He's from Iowa and I can't imagine there are tons of black people in Iowa or the midwest. Second, he did kind of find some "white" freaks from strange places in the US. I would say Gable was more into freaks than white or black people. Gable straight up wanted people completely obsessed with wrestling and only wrestling. Maybe for his time coaching he could only find white guys who were that mental. I'm not buying your argument. I bet he would comment on this because he talks a lot about stepping outside the sport and claims he didn't do enough of that coaching. I would say most black, italian, and other types of "ethnic" folks aren't too into the midwest or iowa anyway.

Read between the lines. The Stereotyping of the "Black Wrestler" is absolutely nauseating. Three Black Wrestlers in his 30 years at the helm. One of which he inherited, the other was the brother of a kid who picked Iowa because it was close to home.

Glad to know, "Black Wrestlers" just stand around lazy, shiftless, relying on pure athleticism to win matches albeit right at the end. If you look at the three Black Wrestlers that wrestled under him, I would say they turned out a little better than average. How can you criticize Campbell? How about Joe Williams, 3x Champ is a decent career. What about TJ, highest Winning Pct. in the program's history.
Gable's Agenda is truly a Black Eye for the sport. Shamefully, he's probably not even aware of his own bias, although I'm sure he's aware. He didn't have one hispanic wrestler under his watch. Gable was an equal opportunity hater, because I think he disliked Italians as well.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Deanna, Chiapparelli, and Melchiore. Not sure about Mocco. Long story short, Gable left himself open to criticism, but judging from this interview, it's pretty obvious. Did I mention the fact that among the "Black" Wrestlers this was pretty much well known and undisputed. Supposedly he recruited Carr, but. . .
Ask Bobby Douglas, off the record of course, and he'll tell you straight up. Maybe it's because a "Black" High School Kid beat him shortly after his Olympic Triumph. Wrestling's Greatest Icon is little more than a. . . Thankfully, Brands has changed the culture, and is motivated solely by winning.

Mike Novo and Frank Pop!! Get behind those guys America! ...Great words of wisdom Coach Gabel. Thank you.