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Improving The Future of American Olympic/International level performances

Rick Addante | Profile
August 21, 2008


I agree with the statement (in Martin's blog) that "it all comes down to how our system is setup in the USA" ("Twilly's" comment), but I think financial situations of athletes is a more peripheral issue in the bigger picture, though still important. Training Center approach seems to be working quite well- but is asking a lot to have a kid full of promise forgo a free college education in the NCAA (which might be a better service to the guy for the rest of his life than a gold medal around hi neck, but I am open to debate on this one...). If people wait until post college career to go OTC, they may bring 'baggage' of injury, wife/kids/life goals, or maybe even some burnout after all the years, plus competing desires for careers. What’s more, they risk getting injured in college and never making it back to the OTC. That is a collective risk between all these factors.

I really thought we could win 5-6 gold’s between the freestyle, Greco, and Women’s teams, let alone some silver and bronze too, at least. I don’t believe it is for lack of talent, ability, training, hard work, or coaching. I think we may lead the world in these categories. Yet we don’t in medal counts. Why? I admittedly know less about freestyle and Greco than I do folkstyle, but my lack of knowledge seems to also reflect a broader national problem for our athletes/fans.

As an aside, maybe someone who was in Beijing could inform me, but it seems like cutting weight has been a serious issue for our guys, yet no reports similarly from other countries. This is our best of the best? In the Olympics and can't control their weights? As good as the USOTC system seems to be with Henry and Mocco success, I would think it also suggests less that ideal coaching supervision of an important component of wrestling. I admittedly don't know the full story here, but judging by the collective performance for both FS and GR, it seems to be an issue to address.

Moreover, it has got to be tough to take an elite college wrestler, who trained for 10-15 years in one version of a sport that often takes a Very serious toll on the body through major injuries and wear and tear (physically and mentally) through the college seasons, and then ask them to learn a whole new style and expect world caliber results (Askren a key example, who still did excellent). This is a hamstringing challenge to both the Olympic athletes and coaches, I imagine. The injuries sustained in so many of our best NCAA wrestlers through their college careers also significantly impairs our pool of top wrestlers post-college, since many guys must face simply ending their careers due to the grind and injury load through the years.

Too few American youths and HS/NCAA wrestlers are taught/trained in FS and GR. We have so much talent in the USA for wrestling, and forgive me if it comes out wrong, but it seems that all our talent is effectively "wasted" pursuing scholastic folkstyle, and then playing catch up to the world in FS and GR. Its not fair to the athletes who have to do this, the coaches who are limited in resources due to this, and to the nation, whose reflected strength is weakened by this.

Personally, I think folkstyle is more entertaining (and easier for naive fans to follow), and if that would be adopted internationally, I think the sport would generate a bigger US TV and general following because fans are used to watching and understanding it locally in HS and NCAA. They get confused and bored when they tune in and see it to be a foreign format they don't understand and is confusing. I believe a lot of the Americans who PACK gyms all over the nation for High School districts, conference, regionals, sectionals, and States would continue to likewise follow the sport internationally if they simply understood its basic rules and scoring, and were not alienated by it being so different from the already initially confusing folkstyle they learned watching their HS classmates, neighbors, kids, and friends compete. The fans are there, we as a national sport completely alienate them. They could care less. I have been wrestling for 15 years, and even I didn’t know who some of the guys on the teams were for the Olympics until the genius of Flo emerged. Point is: people wont be interested, let alone excited, to follow the athletes and sports of we don’t even know who they are or their stories.?

People Knew Cael Sanderson, Dan Gable and John Smith because of their FOLKSTYLE success- because they understood that style and could enjoy watching it. We have analogous international stars such as Baumgartner, who people know less mainstream-ly, because they simply do not care about the international formats, and Bruce gets drowned out while casual sports fans still know Gable. As an example, in New Jersey, Damion Hahn has a Huge following of fans in folkstyle. Everyone knew of his folkstyle accomplishments in high school, and mostly in college too. But I'll be dollars to donuts that most of those fans dropped off on following his international wrestling success. Why? Why would they be so incensed, passionate, and loyal followers in one style, and then just totally indifferent and drop off on another yet different style? I think a good part of that answer includes the points in this blog, but that’s just me- what do you think?

This leaves 2 options, I think.

1). Convince the international governing body to include folkstyle instead of freestyle. This is probably very unlikely. But then again, who knows...

and alternatively

2). unfortunately scrap folkstyle and start training everyone in at least freestyle for HS and college, if not also Greco. It would be a rough transition I'm sure, but once coaches, athletes, and fans get accustomed to the rules, they will get on board, understand it, and continue a great domestic local fan base. This educated fan base can then tune in much easier to the international level competition. Athletes will be far better trained, and we will have a much deeper pool to draw from (as does Russia). It would surely meet with some resistance from uneducated fans, coaches, and athletes at first, but the rough patch would be a bump in the road towards a bigger national wrestling goal. Wrestling would also probably take a tough initial hit from it. But we would have to suck that up and build it up from there.

Or we could always just continue to watch Russia kick our arses every 4 years instead, but that never really sits well with me.

I like the bottom picture here much better than the top picture, and I think the choice is clear as to which outcome America should pursue with full vigor.

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#10
Martin Floreani   September 12, 2008 at 9:09am
exactly!
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Rick Addante   September 12, 2008 at 1:25am
Fully agreed on FILA. I know JACK about international wrestling politics, but I do know that word on the street is that its crooked. Where I consider adopting international style for mainstream HS/NCAA, I too have to shelf the idea because I couldn't support an organization that changes the rules so much. I mean, in 5,000 years, we can't nail down a basic style with basic rules for international competitors to meet on common grounds?

In my 'wrestling dreamland' folkstyle would be "IT" internationally, with greco too. I realize its utterly impossible and impractical, but i believe the top/bottom position action and skills it necessitates creates the better, well rounded, and overall tougher Champion. It may not have as many exciting big throws, but it may compensate with more exciting pins (like in the NCAA), and as Martin points out nicely, the NCAA's are sold out annually, and exciting to watch.
Marketing is critical, but ironically, it seems the russian system is more capitalism (paying, and offering incentives to athletes for success), where the American system is quasi-socialist (not investing in big rewards, incetives, or motitvations [$$$] to drive competition and instead having elite athletes take vows of poverty to pursue their dream). If the US and Russian wrestling federations were businesses, an economist would say that Russia succeeds by a capitalistic free market market approach to investing in successful talent, while US wallows in socialistic that success will not result in big $ rewards (again, a big marketing component here to instilling motivating factors to younger athletes to set their dreams to pursue). Ironic, since We are supposed to be the capitalists, while them the socialists.
i dunno.
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Martin Floreani   September 12, 2008 at 12:31am
Hey Great Blog and good writing. I disagree though. I dont want to leave our fate to another incompetent organization, in this case: FILA. They change the rules as much as the weather. With Folkstyle the NCAA runs it pretty damn good. Look how sold out the championships are every year. That is awesome!

Many people want the NCAA to do more, but that isnt their role. Frankly that is the wrestling communities role or the NWCA as they are the designated leading organization for the NCAA wrestling. I think in the past wrestling has succeeded in spite of the organization. I believe this will change in the future, and although I am critical of their mindsets and many other things their hearts are in the right place and are trying new things.
In short if you want more Olympic Champions it comes down to marketing in the US. Rich Benders job is to ensure the right envirnment for Gold Medals, however that cant be properly done through poor marketing. I think we all can agree that marketing isnt USA Wrestlings strong suite. I think marketing is a key flaw in the foundation of USA Wrestling.
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RAD   August 23, 2008 at 6:18pm
Thank you for the explination. That makes more sense. My issue with all is that when we talk about scrapping folkstyle it is just arguement that it has no chance. I am not being negative on what you are saying but I rather look at solutions that are feasible and practicle. Good discussion.
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Rick Addante   August 23, 2008 at 5:05pm
yeah, again, by "uneducated fan base/coaches etc." I mentioned, I simply referred to those who would not understand the hypothetically new freestyle rules and scoring, and why it was switched (including myself, frankly). This would soon be remedied, but i guess I just meant that it may turn some people off at first who are not familiar with it, and are used to decades of excitement watching their local teams with the folkstyle rules. People like me would only remain uneducated until we figured out the scoring and rules, and could then make the matches more exciting to watch.
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Rick Addante   August 23, 2008 at 5:01pm
oh yeah, and my proposition of "options" were simply that. Ideas to stir the pot, think out of the traditional box. I honestly wouldn't expect either of them to be adopted in the least, at least not for a while. To tell the truth, Id prefer to keep folkstyle, as I mention below, I think it is a better measure of well wounded wrestling due to bottom position skills required. I also think it is more exciting to compete it, and more exciting to watch as fans, since it is easier to explain to naive people tuning in on TV.
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Rick Addante   August 23, 2008 at 4:58pm
what I meant by 'uneducated coaches, fans, and atheltes" was in reference to freestyle and greco styles. Personally, none of my coaches ever really specifically instructed me or my teamates on freestlye or greco scoring, rules, etc., because I dont think they knew it that well. Admitedly, I dont know it that well. I was reading online for rules as the matches were broadcast.
Simply, we focus on folkstyle. I think that is great. I think folkstyle is a better format too, because it requires that the best wrestler also be agressive to score form the bottom position, thus a more well rounded champion. But thats my opinion.

But my point was that in the *hypothetical* situation where folkstyle was scrapped, it would ruffle people because many high school coaches who are encyclopedias of folkstlye would have to learn more about freestlye, as would the first few years of athletes who have trained exclusively learning folkstyle. Not uneducated in a bad way, just simply not knowing the FS and Greco stuff as well- I speak only from what I experienced from my coaches and my competitive career. When I would go to off-season tournaments in freestlye, I was asking about the rules before my matches, and often not sure what the score was in matches. Sure, my own fault, but I personally found it difficult to find explicit freestyle and greco clubs, workouts, and coaching, whereas in NJ there were folkstyle club teams all over the place in the off season.
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In Agreement   August 23, 2008 at 1:06pm
I, for one, was real disappointed with our performance at the Olympics, especially in freestyle. It pained me to see us so ineffective and non-competitive.

And judging from some of the comments I've seen, Terry Brands obviously was right that success at the Olympics just isn't as important to US wrestlers and fans as it is to wrestlers and fans from other countries.
No wonder then, that we don't do real well. In wrestling -- as in life -- the guy who wants it more, the guy who prepares mentally and physically to dominate, is the guy who's gonna' win. How can we expect to compete if we don't want it as bad as they do.
Yes, it may be a sacrifice to train full-time at the OTC out of highschool. But every dream comes at a price. Henry Cejudo was an anomaly, but maybe now, with all the success he's had, he can be an example to others. How many guys go to college just so they can wrestle anyway, a fair number I'd bet.
Even within the system we have, I thought Terry Brands was a bright spot. You can't argue with results and both of his guys -- Mocco and Cejudo -- did the best of any of our guys. If there was some way to increase his authority . . .
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RD   August 23, 2008 at 8:53am
Let me tell you two things that will never happen:

1. Folkstyle WILL NEVER be adopted internationally. Because the US does not do well, 100 and some other odd countries are all of sudden going to stop either wrestling freestyle and greco and change to our style only.
2. We will never see us change and scrap folkstyle for freesytle and greco.Never happen.
You cannot honestly believe that can you. You speak so intelligently then say something so ridicolous.
By the way, what gives you the right to be saying that uneducated coaches, fans, and athletes will give resistance. Why would you call them uneducated? The traditional style in our county is folkstyle.
Since these Olympic games I have heard more 'experts' than I ever realized we had in this country. Since you know so much, why not offer up your 'expertise' to USAW. I am sure they can use someone like you.
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JT Rose   August 21, 2008 at 8:30pm
I feel you on the importance of college, but how helpful is to someone who is a full-time athlete? If an athlete goes straight to the OTC from high school (like Cejudo) excels in international competitions and the Olympics and then goes to college a few years down the road when s/he is older and wiser, the athlete may perhaps have garnered enough life tools to heighten their scholastic endeavors in college.
Personally, I don't think athletics and education really jive. If one wants to be the best in either field they need to devote copious amounts of time to said field. Now for individuals who just want to have fun and enjoy the sport, join an intramural club team.
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