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California the 34rd toughest HS State?

Martin Floreani | Profile
March 16, 2009


So taking a look at the high school qualifiers from California this year I noticed California was 6th place with 19 qualifiers. You might think not bad, but you have to look at it from a different angle. California's population has 34 million people in it! If you analyze how they rank qualifier per population you will see they are 34th with one qualifier per 1.9 million people. NOTE: California also has a rich history of wrestling unlike some states like Texas or Florida which are both still developing. They are just below Florida (33rd) which does not have one division 1 program in the whole state, (California has 4), and has 1/2 of California's population. Furthermore we all know that Florida's population is full of old people so this fact hurts Florida's rank. (Old people arent a very strong demographic for participants at the NCAA tournament.)

Idaho (7 qualifiers) had the highest rank with a qualifier for every 209,405 people, Iowa (13) came in second with a qualifier for every 229,391 people and PA (49) came in 3rd with 253,890. I dont expect California to get 174 Qualifers for the NCAA tournament, (Thats what they would have to get to beat Idaho's ratio), but 19 is unacceptable for a state with such great wrestling. So the next question is why does this happen in a state that has arguably one of the hardest state tournaments in the nation?

The Answer: Because the size of the California state tournament makes it extremely difficult for college coaches to recruit with one state tournament. Kids get swallowed up and buried with one state tournament. NJ can get away with it because it is less than 1/4 of California's population. I know a lot of high school athletes that arent superstars coming out of high school but have All American potential, just ask Mo Lawal. Mo Lawal started wrestling in Texas his freshman or sophomore year. If he wrested in California he probably would not even made it to California State. But because he was a Texas state champ he got offers to wrestle in college. He became a multiple DII National Champ, D1 All American (3rd) and a World Team member.

If you ask any Division 1 college coach the California humongus state tournament sounds nice but it hurts wrestling in the state long run. When athletes wrestle in college they often go home and coach at their high schools.  I know some wrestlers with great potential never get that chance in California probably because they never made it out of one of their 3 or 4 straight Qualifing tournaments. Those wrestlers are less likely to go back to their hometown and bring the new techniques that are happening on the college level to the young kids in the sport.

California is one of the toughest and deep wrestling states in the nation but right now I think its own mammoth size is unhealthy for the long term growth of California wrestling. It is time to break the state tournament up into at least 2 maybe 3 or 4 classes.



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#112
Painted Demon   May 7 at 10:54am
2009 NCAAS, # Division 1 National Champions from New Jersey, and a handfull of All Americans. No State, PA, CA or whoever did that. Rock on Jersey.

Now as far as woman, Cali got us there. Two many hairy Italian chicks here.
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#111
California Dating   May 4 at 11:13pm
Thanks for the information! let us hope that the standings of California will elevate soon!

Chow,
Millen
http://www.universityloveconnection.com/university-California-Dating.htm
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#110
Jeff Nolan / TheMatMedia.com   May 4 at 9:53pm
The formating did not come out in the previous posting. The column headings are:

State
Participants
Qualifiers
Qualifiers per 1,000 Participants (Q/P)*1000
Rate of (Q/P)*1000 compared to PA
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#109
Jeff Nolan / TheMatMedia.com   May 4 at 9:44pm
Another way to look at this is by "Qualifiers per 1,000 Participants."

On that basis PA, NJ, OH and NY rank highest with PA yielding more than twice as many qualifers per 1,000 participants as the next closest state. This is what Cael Sanderson was referring to when he took the Penn State job.
Qualifiers
per 1000 Rate of
Participants (Q/P)*1000
State Participants Qualifiers (Q/P)*1000 Compated to PA
PA 9,000 49 5.44 -
NJ 9,839 24 2.44 2.2
OH 14,004 26 1.86 2.9
NY 13,932 24 1.72 3.2
FL 8,011 10 1.25 4.4
IL 16,535 20 1.21 4.5
MI 11,533 13 1.13 4.8
CA 25,896 19 0.73 7.4
MN 8,437 6 0.71 7.7
NC 8,801 6 0.68 8.0
Statistics taken from:
http://www.hswrestling.net/high-school-wrestling-participation-is-up/
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#108
Galen Yun   April 17 at 12:37am
amen dude who wrote this
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#107
Http://forums.gwri.ce.gatech.e   March 29 at 8:07pm
#106
Hey NorCal Man   March 28 at 12:45pm
I don't like the Senior Nationals argument because not everyone goes to Senior Nationals. Most people don't actually. But everyone in high school wrestling hopes to someday wrestle in an NCAA Tournament, and that's what this article was about. The number of qualifiers changes every year though, so this isn't an exact science.
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#105
NorCan Man   March 28 at 12:42pm
Senior Nationals the last 9 years just think would happen is nationals were closer to home.

National High School Coaches Association (NHSCA)
ALL-AMERICANS
1990-2008

Senior Nationals
2008 (10 All-Americans)
103-Jeremy Gendreau-St. John Bosco-Bellflower (S): 2nd Place (7th State)
171-Hunter Collins-Gilroy (CC): 2nd Place (State Champion, 3rd, 2nd, 8th)
103-Gilberto Camacho-Washington Union-Fresno (C): 3rd Place (2x State Champion)
112-Markjay Acosta-San Leandro (NC): 3rd Place (2nd State)
103-Edgar Diaz-Arvin (C): 5th Place (4th State)
119-Thomas Williams-South Hills-West Covina (S): 5th Place (4th, State Champion, 2nd)
135-Vinny Pisani-El Modena-Orange (S): 7th Place (State Champion, 5th)
140-Trent Stevenson-Arcata (NC): 7th Place (5th State)
171-Jake Meredith-Temecula Valley (S): 7th Place (2nd, 7th State)
119-Richard Alarcon-Mayfair-Lakewood (S): 8th Place (5th State)
Team result: 5th Place
Qualifiers: Top 8 in California & wild card entrants**
2007 (11 All-Americans)
103-Chris Done-Buchanan-Clovis (C): National Champion (4th State)
103-Taylor Louie-West Covina (S): 2nd Place (State qualifier) **
112-Nektoe Demison-Bakersfield (C): 2nd Place (3rd state)
119-Nikko Triggas-Campolindo-Moraga (NC): 2nd Place (3rd, State Champion, 2nd)
125-Boris Navachkov-Fremont-Sunnyvale (CC): 2nd Place (2x State Champion)
171-Justin Danz-Ponderosa-Shingle Springs (SJ): 2nd Place (4th state, State Champ)
215-Ryan Flores-Buchanan-Clovis (C): 2nd Place (5th, 2x State Champion)
112-Kellen Aura-Foothill-Pleasanton (NC): 8th Place (6th, 7th, 2nd state)
119-Jason Lara-Calvary Chapel-Santa Ana (S): 5th Place (State Champion)
215-John Hernandez-Pacifica-Oxnard (S): 8th Place (8th state)
285-Ryan Hoover-Hesperia (S): 6th Place (3rd state)
Team result: National Champions
Qualifiers: Top 8 in California & wild card entrants **
2006 (11 All-Americans)
130-Billy Murphy-Hughson (SJ): National Champion (2x State Champion, 3rd State)
112-Justin Paulson-Calvary Chapel-Santa Ana (S): 2nd Place (2nd, 3rd, 2nd State)
103-Pierre Bondoc-Beyer-Modesto (SJ): 2nd Place (3rd State)
103-David Chaidez-Foothill-Bakersfield (C): 3rd place (4th State)
119-Filip Novachkov-Fremont-Sunnyvale (CC): 3rd Place (State Champ, 2nd, 4th State)
125-Todd Schavrien-Poway (SD): 4th Place (State Champion, 3rd State)
135-Adin Duenas-Gilroy (CC): 4th Place (3rd, 7th State)
189-Nate Willard-Atascadero (S): 4th Place (2nd State)
145-Lucas Espericueta-Shafter (C): 5th. Place (3rd, 8th State)
103-Drew Velasco-North Torrance (S): 6th Place (State qualifier) **
130-Josh Betancur-Buchanan-Clovis (C): 8th Place (3rd, 3rd State)
Team results: 2nd Place
2005 (10 All-Americans)
112-Brian Moreno-Foothill-Santa Ana (S): National Champion (3x State Champion)
189-Jake Varner-Bakersfield (C): 2nd. Place (2x State Champion, 2nd, 4th)
125-Mark Anderson-Lemoore (C): 3rd Place (State Champion)
103-Gabe Rodriguez-Calvary Chapel-Santa Ana (S): 5th Place (5th State)
119-Brandon Zoeteway-De La Salle-Concord (NC): 5th Place (6th, 6th State)
140-David Christian-San Ramon Valley (NC): 5th Place (State Champion, 6th, 8th)
135-Joe Soto-Porterville (C): 7th Place (State Champion, 7th)
215-Erik Nye-Red Bluff (N): 7th Place (3rd, 3rd State)
125-John Triggas-Campolindo-Moraga (NC): 8th Place (5th State)
145-Lewis Gonzalez-Turlock (SJ): 8th Place (2x State Champion, 4th)
Team result: 3rd Place
2004 (8 All-Americans)
103-Matt Bautista-North Torrance (S): National Champion (State qualifier) **
135-Troy Tirapelle-Clovis (C): 3rd. Place (3x State Champion)
215-Brandon Halsey-Rancho Buena Vista-Vista (SD): 4th Place (State Champion, 7th State)
140-David Jauregui-Calvary Chapel-Santa Ana (S): 5th. Place (4th, 2nd State)
103-David Navarette-Temecula Valley (S): 5th. Place (7th. State)
152-Ryan Williams-La Costa Canyon-Carlsbad (SD): 6th Place (State Champion, 3rd, 4th State)
275-Marcus Moore-Hogan-Vallejo (SJ): 6th Place (5th, 3rd State)
112-John Gurich-Gilroy (CC): 8th Place (4th, 4th State)
Team result: 2nd Place
2003 (8 All-Americans)
103-Sam Fragoza-Calaveras (SJ): National Champion (4th, 7th State)
125-Manual Rivera-Rosemead (S): National Champion (3rd. State)
119-Chad Mendes-Hanford (C): 3rd. Place (8th, 5th, 3rd State)
125-Gabe Flores-Clovis (C): 3rd. Place (3rd, 1st, 2nd State)
189-Joe Williams-Calvary Chapel-Santa Ana (S): 3rd. Place (5th, 2x State Champion)
140-Pat Payne-Poway (SD): 6th Place (6th, 3rd, 2nd. State)
103-Jesse Contreras-Turlock (SJ): 7th. Place (3rd. State)
160-Brett Slone-Vacaville (SJ): 7th. Place (State Champion)
2002 (15 All-Americans)
125-Darrell Vasquez-Bakersfield (C): 2nd Place (4x State Champion)
160-Josh Sherley-Bakersfield (C): 3rd Place (State Champion, 2nd)
103-Gerrard Contreras-Buchanan-Clovis (C): 4th Place (State Champion, 2nd)
275-David Hazell-West Torrance (S): 4th. Place (4th State)
112-Andrew Domingues-Righetti-Santa Maria (S): 4th Place (4th State 2x)
140-Danny Cadwallader-Brethren Christian-Anaheim (S): 4th Place (State Champion, 6th)
103-Louie Puno-Vallejo (SJ): 5th Place (5th State)
130-Ricky Turk-Rim of the World-Lake Arrowhead (S): 5th Place (State Champion)
152-Sven Hafemeister-Lemoore (C): 5th Place (2nd, 4th State)
103-Jake Nishimura-Camarillo (S): 6th Place (State Qualifier)
215-Steve Juarez-North Torrance (S): 6th Place (3rd State)
103-David Villagran-Brawley (SD): 7th Place (8th State)
135-Jeff Bristol-Temecula Valley (S): 7th Place (5th State)
189-Kirk Davis-Arroyo Grande (S): 7th Place (2nd State)
112-Logan Ingram-Buchanan-Clovis (C): 7th Place (2nd, 3rd. State)
2001 (19 All-Americans)
103-Orlando Galvan-Loara-Anaheim (S): National Champion (State Champion, 7th, 7th)
125-Steve Esparza-Calvary Chapel-Santa Ana (S): National Champion (State Champion, 2nd)
135-Alex Tirapelle-Clovis (C): National Champion (3x State Champion)
160-Kenneth Cook-American-Fremont (NC): National Champion (State Champion, 2nd, 4th)
103-Tran Nguyen-Mt. Carmel-San Diego (SD): 2nd Place (3rd State)
160-Greg Smith-Rim of the World-Lake Arrowhead (S): 2nd Place (State Champion, 2nd)
171-Ryan Halsey-Rancho BV-Vista (SD): 2nd Place (State Champion, 6th)
215-Allen Kennett-Mayfair-Lakewood (S): 2nd Place (State Champion)
275-Lionel Apineru-Barstow (S): 2nd Place (State Champion, 6th, 6th)
103-Jeff Sato-Arroyo Grande (S): 3rd Place (6th State)
125-Thomas Vargas-Pacific-San Bernardino (S): 3rd Place (State Champion, 3rd)
171-Willie Parks-Calvary Chapel-Santa Ana (S): 3rd. Place (2nd. State)
125-Tyler Moran-Temecula Valley (S): 4th Place (2nd State)
145-Miguel Gutierrez-Foothill-Bakersfield (C): 4th Place (State Champion, 3rd, 3rd)
130-Andy Kim-Poway (SD): 5th Place (2nd, 2nd, 8th State)
145-Dustin Tillman-American-Fremont (NC): 6th Place (4th. State)
275-Chase Gormley-Torrance (S): 6th Place (2x State Qualifier)**
119-Jacob Palomino-Independence-San Jose (CC): 7th Place (3x State Champion, 2nd)
275-Peter Borba-Watsonville (CC): 8th Place (7th State) **
Team Result: National Champions
Qualifiers: Top 6 in California & wild card entrants**
2000 (14 All-Americans)
103-Marvin Garcia-Norte Vista-Riverside (S): National Champion (5th State)
125-Michael Simpson-Brethren Christian-Anaheim (S): National Champ (2x State Champ, 4th)
152-Brody Barrios-Poway (SD): 2nd Place (2x State Champion, 3rd)
103-Salvador Gonzalez-Merced (SJ): 2nd Place (4th, 2nd State)
112-Matt Sanchez-Bellarmine Prep-San Jose (CC): 2nd Place (8th State)
112-William Reick-Durham (N): 3rd Place (6th, 3rd State)
145-Chris Pendleton-Lemoore (C): 4th Place (State Champion, 4th)
103-Ryan Pong-San Ramon Valley (NC): 5th Place (6th, 8th State)
145-Adam Bones-Calvary Chapel-Santa Ana (S): 6th Place (3rd, 2nd State)
171-Jesse Juarez-North Torrance (S): 7th Place (2nd State)
119-Efren Ceballos-Manteca (SJ): 7th Place (4th State)
140-Peter Le-Santa Teresa-San Jose (CC): 7th. Place (7th, 3rd State)
215-Jordan Everett-Grossmont-El Cajon (SD): 8th Place (4th State)
112-Andrew Onsuerez-East Bakersfield (C): 8th Place (2nd State)
Qualifiers: Top 6 in California
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#104
NorCal Man   March 28 at 12:38pm
California State Wrestling Championship Records
1973-2009

4x CALIFORNIA STATE CHAMPION
Darrell Vasquez-Bakersfield (C): 1999, ‘00, ‘01, ‘02
4x CALIFORNIA STATE FINALIST (6)
Martin Kistler-Notre Dame-Riverside (S): 1978-‘81
Jacob Palomino-Independence-San Jose (CC): 1998-‘01
Darrell Vasquez-Bakersfield (C): 1999-‘02
Nathan Morgan-Bakersfield (C): 2002-‘04
Jason Welch-Las Lomas-Walnut Creek (NC): 2005-‘08
Louis Bland-Central Catholic-Modesto (SJ): 2005-‘08
4x CALIFORNIA STATE PLACERS (19)
Darrell Vasquez-Bakersfield (C): 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st (1999-‘02)
Jacob Palomino-Independence-San Jose (CC): 1st, 1st, 1st, 2nd (1998-‘01)
Nathan Morgan-Bakersfield (C): 2nd, 1st, 1st, 1st (2001-’04)
Jason Welch-Las Lomas-Walnut Creek (NC): 2nd, 1st, 1st, 1st (2005-’08)
Louis Bland-Central Catholic-Modesto (SJ): 1st, 1st, 2nd, 1st (2005-’08)
Eric Guerrero-Independence-San Jose (CC): 3rd, 1st, 1st, 1st (1992-‘95)
Stephan Abas-Canyon Springs/James Logan (S/NC): 4th, 1st, 1st, 1st (1993-‘96)
Marty Kistler-Notre Dame-Riverside (S): 2nd, 2nd, 1st, 1st (1978-‘81)
Jake Varner-Bakersfield (C): 4th, 2nd, 1st, 1st (2002-’05)
Joe Calavitta-Calvary Chapel-Santa Ana (S): 4th, 3rd, 1st, 1st (1994-‘97)
Adam Coffing-Elk Grove (SJ), 3rd, 2nd, 1st, 2nd (1993-‘96)
Michael Kawamura-Rosemead (S): 5th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st (1992-‘95)
Martin Gonzalez-Gilroy (CC): 5th, 7th, 1st, 1st (2006-’09)
David Klingsheim-Liberty-Brentwood (NC): 8th, 5th, 1st, 1st (2006-’09)
Hunter Collins-Gilroy (CC): 8th, 2nd, 3rd, 1st (2005-’08)
Frank Trujillo-Covina (S): 4th, 2nd, 3rd, 2nd (1982-‘85)
Nick Zinkin-Bullard-Fresno/Clovis (C): 4th, 3rd, 4th, 3rd (1989-‘92)
Caleb Flores-Northview-Covina (S): 6th, 3rd, 7th, 2nd (2003-’06)
Cliff Acosta-Hughson (SJ): 3rd, 5th, 8th, 2nd (1993-‘96)
3x CALIFORNIA STATE CHAMPIONS (14)
David Lee-Bella Vista-Fair Oaks (SJ): 1982, ‘83, ‘84
Lawrence Jackson-Santa Monica (S): 1984, ‘85, ‘86
Mark Gerardi-Valhalla-El Cajon (SD): 1985, ‘86, ‘87
Jimmy Aguirre-Clovis ©: 1989, ‘90, ‘91
Scott Chapman-Rim of the World-Lake Arrowhead (S): 1991, ‘92, ‘93
Eric Guerrero-Independence-San Jose (CC): 1993, ‘94, ‘95
Stephen Abas-Canyon Springs/James Logan-Union City (S/NC): 1994, ‘95, ‘96
Jacob Palomino-Independence-San Jose (CC): 1998, ‘99, ‘00
Alex Tirapelle-Clovis (C): 1999, ‘00, ‘01
Troy Tirapelle-Clovis (C): 2002, ’03, ‘04
Nathan Morgan-Bakersfield (C): 2002, ’03, ‘04
Brian Moreno-Foothill-Santa Ana (S): 2003, ’04, ’05
Jason Welch-Las Lomas-Walnut Creek (NC): 2006, ’07, ‘08
Louis Bland-Central Catholic-Modesto (SJ): 2005, ’06, ‘08
3x CALIFORNIA STATE PLACERS (108)
David Lee-Bella Vista-Fair Oaks (SJ): 1st, 1st, 1st (1982-‘84)
Lawrence Jackson-Santa Monica (S): 1st, 1st, 1st (1984-‘86)
Mark Gerardi-Valhalla-El Cajon (SD): 1st, 1st, 1st (1985-‘87)
Jimmy Aguirre-Clovis (C): 1st, 1st, 1st (1989-‘91)
Scott Chapman-Rim of the World (S): 1st, 1st, 1st (1991-‘93)
Alex Tirapelle-Clovis (C): 1st, 1st, 1st (1999-‘01)
Troy Tirapelle-Clovis (C): 1st, 1st, 1st (2001-’04)
Brian Moreno-Foothill-Santa Ana (S): 1st, 1st, 1st (2002-’05)
Brandon Dennington-Tracy (SJ): 2nd, 1st, 1st (1984-‘86)
Casey Strand-College Park-Pleasant Hill (NC): 2nd, 1st, 1st (1992-‘94)
Adam Tirapelle-Hiram Johnson/Buchanan-Clovis (SJ/C): 2nd, 1st, 1st (1994-‘96)
Dan Chaid-Gunderson-San Jose (CC): 3rd, 1st, 1st (1979-‘81)
Hector Torres-Rosemead (S): 3rd, 1st, 1st (1996-‘98)
Brody Barrios-Poway (SD): 3rd, 1st, 1st (1998-‘00)
Billy Murphy-Hughson (SJ): 3rd, 1st, 1st (2004-’06)
Trent Barnes-Clovis West (C): 4th, 1st, 1st (1984-‘86)
Kyle Porter-Hughson (SJ): 4th, 1st, 1st(1990-‘92)
Michael Simpson-Brethren Christian-Anaheim (S): 4th, 1st, 1st (1998-‘00)
Lewis Gonzalez-Turlock (SJ): 4th, 1st, 1st (2003-’05)
John Azevedo-Grace Davis-Modesto (SJ): 5th, 1st, 1st (1973-‘75)
Tony Trujillo-Covina (S): 1st, 5th, 1st (1987-‘89)
John Grubbs-El Camino-Oceanside (SD): 5th, 1st, 1st (1985-‘87)
Tony Okada-Savanna-Anaheim (S): 5th, 1st, 1st (1989-‘91)
Carlos Blanco-Canyon Springs-Moreno Valley (S): 5th, 1st, 1st (1995-‘97)
Joe Williams-Calvary Chapel-Santa Ana (S): 5th, 1st, 1st (2000-’03)
Ryan Flores-Buchanan-Clovis (C): 5th, 1st, 1st (2005-’07)
Rudi Burtchi-Oakdale (SJ): 5th, 1st, 1st (2006-’08)
Ray Gulmatico-Lakewood (S): 6th, 1st, 1st (1978-’81)
Ed Mosely-Calvary Chapel-Santa Ana (S): 6th, 1st, 1st (1993-‘95)
Anthony Meza-Vista (SD): 6th, 1st, 1st (2006-’08)
Jason Verduzco-Antioch (NC): 2nd, 2nd, 1st (1986-‘88)
Shane Valdez-Calvary Chapel-Santa Ana (S): 2nd, 2nd, 1st (1992-‘94)
Alex Herrera-Bakersfield (C): 2nd, 2nd, 1st (2002-’04)
David Ciprian-La Sierra-Riverside (S): 2nd, 3rd, 1st (1979-‘81)
Derrell Nerove-Foothill-Bakersfield (C): 2nd, 1st, 3rd (1982-‘84)
Mark Trice-Mission San Jose-Fremont (NC): 3rd, 2nd, 1st (1986-‘88)
Terry Watts-Caruthers (C): 3rd, 2nd, 1st (1987-‘89)
Detran Gant-Roosevelt-Fresno (C): 3rd, 1st, 2nd (1989-‘91)
Tony Gomez-Independence-San Jose (CC): 3rd, 1st, 2nd (1994-‘96)
Gabe Flores-Clovis/Madera (C): 3rd, 1st, 2nd (2000-’03)
Nikko Triggas-Campolindo-Moraga (NC): 3rd, 1st, 2nd (2005-’07)
Joey Boone-Poway (SD): 2nd, 3rd, 1st (2005-’07)
Jesse Delgado-Gilory (CC): 3rd, 3rd, 1st (2007-’09)
Mel East-Bakersfield (C): 1st, 2nd, 4th (1980-‘82)
Lorenzo Neal-Lemoore (C): 4th, 2nd, 1st (1987-‘89)
Gary Quintana-Selma (C): 2nd, 4th, 1st (1989-‘91)
Kenneth Cook-American-Fremont (NC): 4th, 2nd, 1st (1999-01)
Telly Sanders-Buchanan-Clovis (C): 4th, 2nd, 1st (1996-‘98)
Felip Navachkov-Fremont-Sunnyvale (CC): 4th, 2nd, 1st (2004-’06)
Joe Cisneros-Bakersfield/Selma (C): 1st, 4th, 2nd (2004-’07)
Thomas Williams-South Hills (S): 2nd, 1st, 4th (2006-’08)
Scott Schumm-Edgewood-West Covina (S): 5th, 2nd, 1st (1983-‘85)
Luis Blanco-Canyon Springs-Moreno Valley (S): 5th, 2nd, 1st (1993-‘96)
David Schenk-Anderson (N): 5th, 1st, 2nd (1996-‘98)
Robbie Sordi-Madera (C): 6th, 1st, 2nd (1987-‘89)
Corey Borges-Hughson (SJ): 6th, 2nd, 1st (2003-’05)
Sean Sheets-Centennial-Bakersfield ©: 7th, 2nd, 1st (1999-‘01)
Elijah Nacita-Bakersfield (C): 7th, 2nd, 1st (2004-’06)
Miguel Gutierrez-Foothill-Bakersfield (C): 3rd, 3rd, 1st (1999-‘01)
Anthony Palomino-Independence-San Jose (CC): 4th, 3rd, 1st (1981-‘83)
Ryan Williams-La Costa Canyon-Carlsbad (SD): 4th, 3rd, 1st (2001-’04)
Micah Ferguson-Del Oro-Loomis (SJ): 3rd, 4th, 1st (2002-’04)
David Schultz-Palo Alto (CC): 4th, 4th, 1st (1975-‘77)
Justin Flores-Temecula Valley (S): 6th, 1st, 3rd (1996-‘98)
Dane Valdez-Calvary Chapel-Santa Ana (S): 8th, 1st, 3rd (1992-‘94)
Barry Boyles-Merced (SJ): 5th, 6th, 1st (1975-’77)
Lionel Apineru-Barstow (S): 6th, 6th, 1st (1999-01)
Henry Yorba-Poway (SD): 6th, 6th, 1st (2007-'09)
Justin Arredondo-Buchanan-Clovis (C): 3rd, 7th, 1st (2006-’08)
Orlando Galvan-Loara-Anaheim (S): 7th, 1st, 7th (1999-‘01)
Clayton Jack-Vacaville (SJ): 8th, 5th, 1st (2005-’07)
David Christian-San Ramon Valley (NC): 8th, 6th, 1st (2003-’05)
Pete Gonzales-Highland-Bakersfield (C): 2nd, 2nd, 3rd (1974-‘76)
Justin Paulson-Calvary Chapel-Santa Ana (S): 2nd, 3rd, 2nd (2004-’06)
Frank Lopez-Channel Island (S): 2nd, 4th, 2nd (1980-‘82)
Richard Bailey-Monte Vista (CC)/Valhalla (SD): 4th, 2nd, 2nd (1983-‘85)
Dane Bettencourt-Del Oro-Loomis (SJ): 2nd, 5th, 2nd (1995-‘97)
Andy Kim-Poway (SD): 8th, 2nd, 2nd (1999-‘01)
Jason Williams-Clovis (C): 2nd, 8th, 2nd (2002-’04)
Larry Nicholson-Tracy (SJ): 3rd, 4th, 2nd (1978-‘80)
Larry Silva-Grace Davis-Modesto (SJ): 3rd, 4th, 2nd (1993-‘95)
Jeff Tripp-Yucaipa (S): 5th, 2nd, 3rd (1981-‘83)
Michael Grubbs-El Camino-Oceanside (SD): 5th, 2nd, 3rd (1987-‘89)
David Roberts-Bear River-Grass Valley/Clovis West (SJ/C): 6th, 3rd, 2nd (2000-‘02)
Pat Payne-Poway (SD): 6th, 3rd, 2nd (2000-’03)
Andrew Spradlin-Bakersfield (C): 8th, 3rd, 2nd (2000-‘02)
J.J. Roberts-Valhalla-El Cajon (SD): 2nd, 4th, 4th (1996-‘98)
John Loomis-Bella Vista-Fair Oaks (SJ): 4th, 3rd, 3rd (1979-'82)
Brian Folsom-Kennedy-La Palma (S): 5th, 5th, 2nd (1981-’83)
Mike Van Worth-Dos Palos (C): 6th, 4th, 2nd (1998-2000)
Sergio Mar-Gilroy (CC): 6th, 3rd, 4th (1991-’93)
Andy Borges-Vacaville (SJ): 6th, 2nd, 5th (1993-‘96)
Kellen Aura-Foothill-Pleasanton (NC): 6th, 7th, 2nd (2005-’07)
James Cook-Clovis West/Madera (C): 7th, 2nd, 4th (2007-’09)
James Castaneda-Alemany-Mission Hills (S): 5th, 4th, 5th (1993-’95)
Steve Schenk-Anderson (N): 7th, 3rd, 3rd (1994-‘96)
Anthony Archuleta-Calvary/Sultana/Nevada Union (S/S/SJ): 3rd, 4th, 4th (2000-‘02)
Curtis Schurkamp-Escalon (SJ): 5th, 3rd, 6th (2002-’04)
Chad Mendes-Hanford (C): 8th, 5th, 3rd (2000-’03)
Jonah Cruz-Bakersfield (C): 3rd, 7th, 8th (2007-’09)
Albert Garza-Sanger ©: 4th, 5th, 5th (1995-‘97)
Mario Estrada-Calvary Chapel-Santa Ana (S): 5th, 7th, 4th (2001-’03)
Robby Smith-San Ramon Valley (NC): 8th, 7th, 4th (2003-’05)
Bryan Osuna-Calvary Chapel-Santa Ana (S): 8th, 6th, 6th (2003-’05)
2x CALIFORNIA STATE CHAMPIONS (57)
John Azevedo-Grace Davis-Modesto (SJ): 1974, ‘75
Terry Markou-Pacific-San Leandro (NC): 1974, ‘75
Glenn Cooper-San Juan (SJ): 1975, ‘76
Eric Wais-Woodland (SJ): 1975, ‘76
Dan Cuestas-Merced (SJ): 1976, ‘77
Adam Cuestas-Merced (SJ): 1977, ‘78
Ray Martinez-Righetti-Santa Maria/Roosevelt-Fresno (S/C): 1977, ‘78
Bruce Terry-Loara-Anaheim (S): 1978, ‘79
Ray Gulmatico-Lakewood (S): 1979, ‘81
Martin Kistler-Notre Dame-Riverside (S): 1980, ‘81
Howard Lawson-El Dorado-Placentia (S): 1980, ‘81
Dan Chaid-Gunderson-San Jose (CC): 1980, ‘81
Bill Ramos-San Ramon Valley (NC): 1982, ‘83
Eric Osborne-South Hills-Covina (S): 1982, ‘83
Trent Barnes-Clovis West (C): 1985, ‘86
Brandon Dennington-Tracy (SJ): 1985, ‘86
John Grubbs-El Camino-Oceanside (SD): 1986, ‘87
Lyndon Campbell-Santa Fe (S): 1986, ‘87
Todd Tomazic-El Dorado-Placentia (S): 1986, ‘87
Mike Phillips-Capistrano Valley-Mission Viejo (S): 1987, ‘88
Heath Sims-Woodbridge-Irvine (S): 1988, ‘89
Tony Trujillo-Covina (S): 1987, ‘89
Can Tran-Arroyo-El Monte (S): 1989, ‘90
Zach Cooper-Canyon-Anaheim (S): 1989, ‘90
Tony Okada-Savanna-Anaheim (S): 1990, ‘91
Kyle Porter-Hughson (SJ): 1991, ‘92
Lalo Moz-Hanford (C): 1991, ‘92
Darrin Preisendorf-American-Fremont (NC): 1991, ‘92
Casey Strand-College Park-Pleasant Hill (NC): 1993, ‘94
Joshua Holiday-Calvary Chapel-Santa Ana (S): 1994, ‘95
Ed Mosely-Calvary Chapel-Santa Ana (S): 1994, ‘95
Adam Tirapelle-Hiram Johnson-Sacramento/Buchanan-Clovis (SJ/C): 1995, ‘96
Mark Munoz-Vallejo (SJ): 1995, ‘96
Joe Calavitta-Calvary Chapel-Santa Ana (S): 1996, ‘97
Steve Strange-Hughson (SJ): 1996, ‘97
Ty Wilcox-Calvary Chapel-Santa Ana (S): 1996, ‘97
Carlos Blanco-Canyon Springs-Moreno Valley (S): 1997, ‘98
Ralph Lopez-Clovis West (C): 1997, ‘98
Hector Torres-Rosemead (S): 1997, ‘98
Ben Martinez-Tulare Union (C): 1998, ‘99
Max Odom-Foothill-Bakersfield ©: 1998, ‘99
Ryan Kane-Temecula Valley (S): 1998, ‘99
Brody Barrios-Poway (SD): 1999, 2000
Michael Simpson-Brethren Christian-Anaheim (S): 1999, ‘00
Joe Williams-Calvary Chapel-Santa Ana (S): 2002-'03
Paul Baird-Poway (SD): 2002-‘03
Jake Varner-Bakersfield (C): 2004, ‘05
Lewis Gonzalez-Turlock (SJ): 2004, ‘05
Billy Murphy-Hughson (SJ): 2005, ‘06
Boris Navachkov-Fremont-Sunnyvale (CC): 2006-‘07
Ryan Flores-Buchanan-Clovis (C): 2006-‘07
Gilberto Camacho-Washington Union-Fresno (C): 2007-‘08
Anthony Meza-Vista (SD): 2007-‘08
Rudi Burtchi-Oakdale (SJ): 2007-‘08
David Klingsheim-Liberty-Brentwood (NC): 2008-‘09
Martin Gonzalez-Gilroy (CC): 2008-‘09
Roger McCovey-Del Norte (NC): 2008-09
CALIFORNIA STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS WON BY A FRESHMAN
103-Jacob Palomino-Independence-San Jose (CC): 1998
103-Darrell Vasquez-Bakersfield (C): 1999
103-Joe Cisneros-Bakersfield (C): 2004
103-Trevor Mechado-Ching-Oakdale (SJ): 2005
152-Louis Bland-Central Catholic-Modesto (SJ): 2005
103-Alex Cisneros-Selma (C): 2009
MOST STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS-TEAM
8-Clovis (C): 1974, ‘75, ‘76, ‘90, ‘91, ‘92, ’03, ‘08
7-Calvary Chapel-Santa Ana (S): 1993, ‘94, ‘96, ‘97, ‘98, ‘00, ‘01
4-Poway (SD): 1986, ‘99, ’05, ‘09
3-Clovis West (C): 1983, ‘84, ‘89
2-Bakersfield (C): 2002, ‘04
MOST TOP FIVE FINISHES-TEAM
21-Clovis (C)
1st - 1974 -’76, 1990-’92, 2003, 2008
2nd - 1973, 2000, 2004
3rd - 1981, 1989, 1993, 1999, 2002
4th - 1986, 1994, 2007, ‘09
5th - 2001
20 – Poway (SD)
1st - 1986, 1999, 2005, ‘09
2nd - 1992, 2003, 2006 -‘07
3rd - 1988, 1990 -’91, 2000, 2004
4th - 1995, 2001 -’02, 2008
5th – 1989, 1997-98
12 – Calvary Chapel-Santa Ana (S)
1st - 1993-’94, 1996 -’98, 2000 -‘01
2nd -1995
3rd - 2003
4th - 2004
5th – 2002, ‘09
8 – Bakersfield (C)
1st - 2002, 2004
2nd - 2001, 2005
3rd - 1995
4th - 2003
5th - 1980, 2007
8 – Buchanan-Clovis (C)
1st - 2006
2nd - 1998-2002, ‘09
3rd - 2007
5th - 1996, 2000, 2008
7 – Valhalla-El Cajon (SD)
1st - 1985
2nd - 1991
4th - 1980, 1983 -’84, 1987
5th - 1986
6 – Bella Vista-Loomis (SJ)
2nd - 1981 -‘83
3rd - 1977, 1984
5th - 1978
5- Clovis West (C)
1st - 1983 -’84, 1989
4th - 1997
5th - 1982
5 – Merced (SJ)
1st - 1980
2nd - 1976, ‘77
3rd - 1974
4th - 1975
5 – Vacaville (SJ)
1st - 2007
3rd - 1986
4th - 1992, 2005
5th - 2003
4 – Independence-San Jose (CC)
1st - 1995
2nd - 1996, ‘97
5th - 1994
4 – Madera (C)
2nd - 1975, 1984
3rd - 1994
5th - 1991
4 – Monte Vista (SD)
1st - 1973
2nd - 1974
3rd - 1975
5th - 1976
4 – Overfelt-San Jose (CC)
1st - 1979
2nd - 1987
3rd - 1980
4th - 1988
3 – El Dorado-Placentia (S)
1st - 1982
2nd - 1986
3rd - 1983
3 – Notre Dame-Riverside (S)
2nd - 1978, 1980
5th - 1977
3 – Ponderosa-Shingle Springs (SJ)
2nd - 1993
3rd - 1992, 1997
3 – Selma (C)
2nd - 2009
4th - 1991
5th - 1988
2 – Andrew Hill-San Jose (CC)
1st - 1978
5th - 1979
2 – Gilroy (CC)
2nd - 2008
4th - 2006
2 – Arroyo-El Monte (S)
2nd - 1989
5th - 1992
2 – Elk Grove (SJ)
3rd - 2005
4th - 1978
2 – Hughson (SJ)
2nd - 1999
5th - 2005
2 – James Logan-Union City (NC)
3rd - 1996
4th - 1995
2 – San Ramon Valley (NC)
5th - 1983, ‘84
2 – Turlock (SJ)
5th - 1990, 2004
2 - Victor Valley (S)
1st - 1987
4th - 1990
MOST INDIVIDUAL STATE PLACERS BY A CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM
9-Bakersfield (C): 2002**
7-Clovis (C): 2008**
7-Clovis West (C): 1983*
*Record accomplished with 13 weight groups (State placer = top 6)
**Record accomplished with 14 weight groups (State placer = top 8)
TEAM SCORING RECORD
226.5 points: Bakersfield (C): 2002
MOST INDIVIDUAL STATE CHAMPIONS
4-Bakersfield (C): 2002, 2004
MOST WRESTLERS IN CHAMPIONSHIP STATE FINALS
7-Bakersfield (C): 2002
Note:
1973-1989 (State placer = top 6)
1990-present (State placer = top 8)
California Sections
1. Northern (N)
2. Southern (S)
3. Central (C)
4. North Coast (NC)
5. Central Coast (CC)
6. Sac-Joaquin (SJ)
7. San Diego (SD)
8. Los Angeles City League (LA)
9. San Francisco City League (SF)
10. Oakland City League (O)
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#103
John Stepleton   March 26 at 4:31pm
What place did california come in as a team at High School Nationals???
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#102
Vacaville Guest   March 25 at 11:15am
I love the idea of one final state tournament. There is something about being the champ from the largest state that has no divisions. That being said there is merit to the arguments about recruiting for college wrestling and those wrestlers returning to coach at the HS level. Best solution that I can think of is to have 3 or 4 divisions and then a final state tournament with the best from each. Or better yet why not split the state 3 or 4 ways (very large masters tournaments) and then a state tournament with the expectation that recruiting will happen at the masters tournament level as well as at the final state tournament. Keep the state finals as a state final though.
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#101
YoYo   March 24 at 6:48pm
Maybe we should split the NCAA Div. 1 teams into sub-divisions based on school size and funding to even the playing field. [SARCASM]. Such a dumb idea.
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#100
Benjamin Thomas   March 23 at 11:28pm
The Video Below was shot at Cael Sanderson's camp in Pomona California. If you are in Cali, you should be at this camp in July.
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#99
Benjamin Thomas   March 23 at 11:26pm
I am for any statistic that makes Idaho look good. I miss my state but Love California too. There is a lot of growth potential in Cali. I started Undefeated Sport in Cali but am still an Idaho Boy at heart.


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#98
Jordan Stepleton   March 23 at 3:34pm
That would be awesome! SO Cal and Nor Cal are two totally different states, and anybody who has lived there knows. Sutter high school in Nor Cal is also a great competitor. Yuba City...
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#97
Gunner Mcdaniel   March 23 at 2:29pm
in any ones opinion people agree to disagree on whos better schools in the state of california. people all know about poway,clovis, and clovis west....but even if the north has a less population they still make immpressive results. now what if the norh and the south had there own state champion ships...
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#96
Vacaville Guest   March 23 at 1:50pm
Just to note that 25,000 of 34million is 0.0007 which is 0.07% or seven hundredths of a percent, and not seven ten thousandths of a percent, but your point is well taken none the less.
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#95
Vacaville Guest   March 23 at 11:51am
GUNNER As a local here I would say that Vacaville High is definitely a wrestling school and they have shown well at the state tournament at least since 2002 where they have been in the top 8 5 of those years including one championship (2007). I won a few matches in high school, but never against them. Whether or not you consider Vacaville in Nor Cal I will leave up to you.
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#94
Ramakrishna Reddy   March 19 at 9:21pm
Martin Kouyoumtjian said:
I agree with some of what your saying, but have to totally disagree with the logic you use to make your argument. Yea California has 34 million people, but it only has about 25,000 wrestlers. That's .0007% (that's 7 ten thousandths of a percent) that your using to support your argument. Go back figure out how many wrestlers are in each state and recalculate your numbers accordingly. Appreciate what you guys do here.
Agreed. We're ignoring the predominance and popularity of the sport in different states.

All in all though, this is a pretty good idea. I'm sure you would find some interesting data if you created a table for the few previous years.
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#93
Mick   March 19 at 8:42am
ny is top five no lower these rankings are ridiculous.
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#92
Stupidity   March 19 at 12:06am
gunner- you sound like an idiot. quit trying to talk. you make yourself seem really stupid when you leave your comments on this website.

"but if your from cali you get some recognition even though you are not necessarily wrestling better wrestlers but just more competiton which with more comp. the more chance you have of getting a loss!."
if you rely on chance everytime you wrestle, and the more people you wrestle gives you more of a chance to lose, even if you are wrestling lower quality wrestlers than a state like new jersey, then you are an idiot. there are tons of great wrestlers from california. I am not even sure what you are talking about...
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#91
Theman   March 18 at 8:26pm
Yates has PA roots, kid is going to be a stud
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#90
Florida Boy   March 18 at 7:23pm
watch how you talk about us boys in Florida....
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#89
Wvalum   March 18 at 6:30pm
Gunner: Again stop being an idiot. Foothill or Red Bluff possibly Anderson but Shasta, Gridley, Durham whatever. Are you actually a wrestler or do you just come on here to say off the wall things. Really your making all of us here in the North State look stupid. What is your point anyway? Southern Cal has some great schools Poway, Selma, Clovis, Calvary Chapel what are you trying to prove.
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#88
SC   March 18 at 5:15pm
dont forget about SC wrestling its getting much better
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#87
Frederic Wong   March 18 at 4:43pm
i think breaking into divisions is great.... due to longterm investment that it can bring towards the caliber of technique it can implement into programs... however, best of the best state tournament should be held to determine the grand state champion for that state... perhaps the top 3 of each division per weight class... i definitely agree that there are a ton of great wrestlers that are left out for recruitment when they simply had a crappy day at CIF.
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#86
Walla Walla Blue Deviler   March 18 at 2:40pm
I agree 100 percentile with the last paragraph. I live in Washington state and we have nowhere near the population that Cali does, and we have 2a 3a and 4a divisions. Maybe it's time that Cali does the same as it starts to grow with the Immigration/population.

I love the 1 division/ 1 state/1 champ ordeal way of thinking, but California is becoming unhealthy in it's growth of population.
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#85
Poop Dolla   March 18 at 12:57pm
dumb study, dumb different angle floreani. the only reason idaho may be up there in ratio of qualifiers is because there is nothing else to do in idaho but wrestle, therefore there is more of an emphasis wrestling...seriously, what else is there to do in idaho.
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#84
Wrastler 150   March 18 at 12:31pm
Your tough schools went to tough national dual tournament this year and I don't believe they even placed. I think they were 1-2.

The problem with CA's tournament as far as what you're talking about is, that the CA state tournament has more focus on a few individual's doing well as a team to finish high. There isn't so much emphasis on the "whole team" as there is on having a few good individuals.
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#83
Gunner Mcdaniel   March 18 at 11:43am
ok people i made a few minor statistic errors but if you know california wrestling i would say clovis,cloviswest,and alot of other schools in the south are known for wrestling howmany northern school do you know that are considered wrestling schools...if i was to say of a few schools in the north... probably shasta,chico,redwoodcity,durham,and mabe for a small school gridley.....but i have been seeing alot of schools pop up with wrestlers that i have never heard before so if i left some out inform me..
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#82
Jackl   March 18 at 11:15am
As long as they have a "best of the best" at the end of the tourney, so the fans can see who really is the best in their weight. The problem with multiple classes is some of these multi-state placers start thinking they're better then they really are and wonder why they get pounded at Nationals. In Idaho, you have roughly 20-25 schools in each division of the 4 divisions. So your odds of placing are decent if you are above average. But....that's not to take anything away from Idaho. As we all know, there is a rich history of studs coming out of Idaho. Idaho should have one state tourney, Calif maybe can afford to go with multiple divisions as long as there is the best of the best at the end. My thoughts anyway....
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#81
Haha   March 17 at 11:07pm
34rd?! Last time i checked it was 34th...
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#80
N   March 17 at 11:00pm
This is flat stupid
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#79
Wvalum   March 17 at 10:39pm
1 state, 1 state champion!!!!
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#78
Wvalum   March 17 at 10:35pm
Why should california water down its competition so it can be as weak as all the other states? I don't know why everybody outside of california wants to break up our tournament. ALso why would college coaches be more likely to travel to california to watch wrestlers in 4 different tournaments if they won't come now and watch them in the best state tournament in the country. I agree you take Team California champions and dual any other state and you will see lopsided victories for team CA.
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#77
Maurice   March 17 at 10:35pm
That is a pretty irrelevant ratio to how good the state is in wrestling.
You put in the number of people in states wrestler's or not. Even if you redid the ratio to wrestlers only, you should base the toughness of a state on the number of people who qualified and not the number who didn't.
Not as many wrestle in California as other states in the mid west and the rest of the U.S. simply because of the fact that it is not very popular.
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#76
Anonymous Coward   March 17 at 10:32pm
I'm a californian, and all four years my only goal was to get to state. I finally did my senior year, after working my butt off everyday. I would have to agree it is hard for many coaches to recruit, but just making it there was well worth the hard work and time that I put into it. I say keep it as one division, its just as rewarding to make it to the single tournament as it would be to be one of the 4 state champions.
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#75
Anonymous Coward   March 17 at 8:40pm
SC doesnt even really have wrestling in college because of title 9....
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#74
CalPoly Alum   March 17 at 8:33pm
Read what Cali Coach S wrote: He is right on. CA is a place like no other! There are just so many distractions here to pull a kid away from the huge wrestling commitment at the college level. I truly believe weather has alot to do with it, but also the general openminded spirit that growing up in CA gives a person. Our potential talent poor is huge, but alot of that pool tends to move on in a different direction pursuing new goals in life. It does surprise me that Calpoly does not get more high level recruits from outside of CA due to its unreal location and that it is an agriculture school. Overall, the D1 collges in CA are heavily based on CA kids..and I am more and more impressed with all of the programs each year. If the CA D1 college programs can survive, I see them becoming a stronger player in the future.
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#73
Anonymous Coward   March 17 at 7:48pm
Also why not have High School Nationals in CA, and see what would happen CA would crush the rest of the country in place winners, 3-4 placers in each weight class would be a easy promise
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#72
Anonymous Coward   March 17 at 7:43pm
you take the 2009 state champs and dual any NJ or NY or PA 2009 Champs and Ca would come out on top
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#71
Cali Wrestler   March 17 at 7:21pm
hahah wow this is balogna! California is in the top 5 when it comes to having the toughest high school wrestling program. These "rankings" are bogus, dont water down California, its tough, mean, and perfect the way it is!
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#70
MARTIN FLO   March 17 at 6:48pm
Dearest Martin,

Find a way to cover PA states. Don't give us this lame excuse about the PIAA. Make it happen. Work a deal, strike a trade, negotiate and bargain. Just make it freakin happen. PCN cable covers some of the tourny and that may be your stumbling block, but with the same token, I believe PCN is a non profit or low margin company. Get to work Martin. No more excuses.
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#69
YoYo   March 17 at 6:28pm
Minor technicality but there are actually 21 NCAA qualifiers that hale from California (not 19). And if you were to include Joey Fio who grew up wrestling in the Placerville/Shady Springs area and wrestle for 1 year at Ponderosa H.S. in Shady Springs, CA, then that would make 22 qualifiers from California.

Nonetheless, CA should have more than 21 NCAA qualifiers. However, I'm not sure that there is a causal relationship between having a state tourney with one division and the relatively low number of NCAA qualifiers. The reasons probably stem more from: 1) relatively few college wrestling programs in CA relative to the number of h.s. wrestlers; 2) lack of funding for the exising college wrestling programs in CA; 3) kids not wanting to travel outside the state to wrestle in places with not as good weather; 4) college coaches from big-time programs finding it more finanically efficient to recruit from states near the Big 10 and Big 12 programs; 5) CA kids not sticking it out at big time programs for a variety of reasons (e.g. Ken Cook, Matt Sanchez, Steve Esparza, Andrew Dominguez, etc.); (6) this is a down year for CA with no sure All-Americans at the lighter weights (125, 133 and 141 lbs) for the first time in many years; and (7) a variety of other reasons. However, I don't think that having a state tourney with one division has necessarily resulted in the relative small number of NCAA qualifiers.
Further, looking at the qualifiers on a per capita basis is not very telling. Like Florida, Arizona, NY and numerous other states, there are wide variety of reasons why a large percentage of people don't participate in wrestling in CA. It would be more telling to look at the number of age-group wrestling participants from a given state relative to the number of college wrestlers and NCAA qualifiers.
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#68
Wvalum   March 17 at 6:27pm
Gunner: Are you a moron? First of all there were 6 placers from the north section. Gallegos, Hellinger (from wheatland), Wood, Morehead, Rios (PV), and Maelfeyt. Secondly we here in the northern section of which I am from, Sent 3 kids at every weight this year which does not equal "10 to 15" but 42 and the south section sends 9 in each weight. Its not just based on population it is determined by the amount of place winners each year from each section. Anyway your embarassing the Good people of Nor Cal. STOP already with the notion that you are some type of a state wrestler. If you were a great wrestler then there are alot of opportunities to showcase your talent on a national level.
On another note there are alot of young men from Cali that never get a look because guys who were 4 time state champs from other states get attention when if some of these guys wrestled in Cali they would not even win their section. This was again proven at the Oregon vs. California duals when a local kid from Redding who did not win our section and did not place at state beat a 4 time state champ from Oregon at 125. As for proof that CA wrestlers are overlooked look no further than Derek Moore a few years ago when he won the NCAA after having to walk on at UC Davis (not a wrestling powerhouse). He was not even recruited because he only place one time in the CA state tourney and that was fifth as a senoir.
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#67
Gunner Mcdaniel   March 17 at 2:36pm
COACH: i would like to take any advantage i could get like i bet you if dan gamble or jon smith went to a small scool like i do they wouldn't get half of the recognotion they have!...
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#66
Anonymous Coward   March 17 at 2:36pm
Or... we could give out ribbons and have everyone win!
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#65
IDAHO   March 17 at 2:32pm
Yeah thats right who's number one yeeeah!!! most of the 7 are at the top too adam hall, kirk smith, jared roshol,t clayton foster, joey fio, im missing two can't quite think of them at the moment!!!
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#64
Coach   March 17 at 2:18pm
GUNNER: ALso quit complaining about how you get left overs there are plenty of schools that are doing well with small enrollment. How about the CC's Calvary and Central. Now your gonna say those are private schools what a school like oakdale. Or the schools like hughson high who would dominate despite only having 4 or 5 hundred kids. I hate hearing excuses why you need to it easier so you can compete. WHat message are we sending to kids if we say lets make is easier so we can have more winners so they can feel better about themselves. Wrestling is unlike any other sport and and should not be separated by divisions. Why should a kid get punished for a going to big or small school and not be able to compete against everyone. Dont take away the opportunity for a small school to have a true state champion
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#63
FunkNasty   March 17 at 2:17pm
Yeah baby DELAWARE all day baby we got 4th haha should be higher cause Meade didnt even wrestle like that this year and Jamelle should be in D-1 college next year we comin up baby NJ n OHIO watch out baby
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Coach   March 17 at 2:12pm
GUNNER: jesus chavez (town name yubacity: school river valley) Is in the SJ Section not the north section. Quit ragging on the sections and dont make it sound like the southern section is so great. THey had 28 more qualifiers than the SJ section and they had almost the exact same medal count
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#61
Anonymous Coward   March 17 at 2:09pm
whoever did this should change their ratios to give a more accurate impression. the population of the state has nothing to do with wrestling, the number of wrestlers participating in hs programs is the number that is important. take that into account, and i bet ca skyrockets to the top.
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Cali Coach S   March 17 at 1:44pm
I am a California HS Coach who believes in the 1 Division system. Without knowing specifics, I would be inclined to think that HS coaches aren't doing enough to get their "marginal wrestlers" recruited. I think the onus lies on the parents and coaches of the "marginal kid" to get film out. And by "marginal kid", I mean one that isn't a state placer in California but maybe was a top-12 at a State Qualifier.

I also have to say that in my experiences, there are far too many distractions in California. Surfing, Skateboarding, Bicycling, MotorX, and the other "action sports" are really taking away from the recruiting pool of kids that might make wonderful wrestlers. I would also like to know how many Midwest and East Coast HS's have Soccer as a winter sport? This is a huge draw for Central California Kids.
On a technical note, I think that maybe California coaches have gotten very good at showing high-level standing techniques, but fail to work as diligently at showing high-level mat techniques and holds. Whereas, in the Midwest and East Coast, coaches do a fantastic job of working on solid fundamental standing techniques and also do a fantastic job of working on solid fundamental mat techniques, thus sending a more "prepared" wrestler to college. In High School where lots of wrestling takes place on your feet, California can still be dominant, especially on the national level. Once in college, mat wrestling has an added importance (with riding time) and with great D-1 Coaching, the solid-fundamental midwest and east coast wrestlers catch up to the great "takedown artists" of California and typically leave them behind. I, too, am at blame on this one.
Lastly, we live in California!! Home of Hollywood, plastic surgery, the CA Lotto, multi-million dollar lawsuits, and other such "get-rich-quick-stories". Kids are raised to believe in instant gratification, and in a sport where there is no such thing, how is one to convince a HS wrestler with potential to wrestle in college that he has what it takes to be a College Star if he's willing to work hard, be patient, and wait his turn?
I just don't think that changing the State Tournament format will impact the number of NCAA qualifiers that California has, like some believe. We can and we should have more NCAA qualifiers, placers, and champions without changing the GREAT SYSTEM we have. We, as coaches, just need to work smarter.
Somebody else said it and I'll second it:
1 State, 1 State Champion!!!!!
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#59
WR98   March 17 at 1:31pm
GA has 4 not 2 as reported.

Thomas Kimbrell 133 Cal Bakersfield, Dawson County HS
Peter Yates 149 Va Tech , Salem HS
Joey Knox 157 UTC, Dublin HS
Dorian Henderson 184 Missouri, Columbus HS
all 4 were GA products for 4 years.
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#58
Iowa Fan (who Isn't)   March 17 at 12:42pm
Crazy Iowa only has 13? Let do a count of AA's per state... Iowa's number may stay the same....

Let get that bet going per state!!!
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#57
Idaho Rocks   March 17 at 12:29pm
It is awesome that Idaho has 7 qualifiers, but honestly they could have more just like california should have more. The difference is that cali has in-state opportunities for kids to wrestle after high school. I mean they have their own CC championship. Idaho only has two schools that have wrestling, Boise State and North Idaho. Both of these schools dont heavily recruit in-state, although Boise State has gotten alot more of them lately. I wrestled in college in South Dakota which has half the population of Idaho and they have 5, 4-year schools that have wrestling. Doesnt make much sense...
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#56
Cali   March 17 at 12:25pm
Martin, you should examine the ratio between how many wrestlers there are per population. Not everybody in Ca wrestles.
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#55
Trainrite   March 17 at 12:24pm
Don't forget Josh Wood from Modoc at 215 (3rd place finish). He actually placed ahead of Morehead though lost to him at the Masters.
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#54
UDAHO   March 17 at 12:08pm
Yeah Potatoes!
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#53
IDAHO   March 17 at 12:07pm
yeah idaho # 1!! THATS RIGHT!!!
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#52
How Big Is A State   March 17 at 11:59am
You can take the first 6 or 7 of those first states and combine them and it will equal the population of California. That is pretty insane. I can see Martin's point on how great kids get lost in such a crazy system.
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#51
Ca Fan   March 17 at 11:54am
word up jaypuma! Plus not to mention being such a good weather state we are not locked in our homes in the winter time or indoors period for that fact. A lot of our kids play more then one sport and most of them play some sports year round. Wrestling unfortunately is not the most popular one. Some people wont do the sport because of the uniform as lame as that sounds. They usually dont show any love for it because they dont understand it. But once you get involved and maybe even try it out is when you find the true love for this awesome sport.
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#50
Ca Fan   March 17 at 11:46am
leave the california high school state tournament the way it is.. I get your point but this way we can see who the real state champ is. funny to say you are the state champ and then say well I am one of four. Also how are you basing your facts on ca wrestlers in the ncaa tournament? native kids from ca that went to schools out of state like iowa state jake varner or kids going to california colleges?
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#49
To PA:   March 17 at 11:42am
Flo wanted to be at PIAA's but they were denied a request. Don't blame Flo, blame the PIAA.
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#48
PA   March 17 at 11:34am
Can you please cover PA high school wrestling? The best wrestling state gets no love from flo...Martin, I would've expected you to send a crew to the PIAAs...
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#47
New Jersey Fan   March 17 at 11:23am
Great post. Clearly illustrates how a power house like California has slipped. For those of you who disagree, don't look at the 34th ranking.. look at the fact that they only have 19 wrestlers competiting in the NCAA tournament this weekend. Yes, that is still a significant number, but not nearly large enough considering the level of competition offered in the state. The argument is that more kids could get exposure (think PA tournament) than would get exposure due to the one state champ method.

Being a lifetime New Jersey wrestler and coach I am spoiled by our state tournament situation. Our population, along with the geography of our state and density of our population allows for some of the most competitive state regional tournaments and state tournaments. It also makes it much easier for college coaches to not only recruit our state tournament but our district and regional tournaments as well. This is something that may have been overlooked in the discussion of California. Wrestling is not a sport like football where the money is there for a coach to travel throughout a state looking for the hidden gem of a kid in the California wilderness. This is something that most states do not have to deal with and unfortuantely, if that hidden gem doesn't make it deep into their state tournament he may never get the exposure needed to compete at the college level.
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#46
My Opinion   March 17 at 10:55am
I'd rather watch New Jersey's tournament over California's. But I also live in New Jersey :)
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#45
JayPuma   March 17 at 10:42am
Martin, you are right in some of your points. Considering the amount of wrestlers in CA, there should, and COULD, be a lot more. I do not see CA dividing as the solution though. I was born and raised in the Fresno/Clovis Area and I can tell you, there are plenty of D1 wrestlers in this area, but what I see is a lack of motivation.
A few points of motivation:
-Scholarship, the 5 D1's have very limited resources ($$$) to offer these CA Wrestlers....But not enough CA wrestlers are making the effort to make calls, send letters, or highlight videos to prospective colleges across the country so yes, they dissolve back into the youth program they were apart of.

-Not the lack of success, but the lack of respect...If the NCAA is going to take qualifiers away from the PAC-10, then CA wrestlers wont qualify as much...Wrestlers are scared to commit to a school that might get dropped the very next season, or cannot qualify to NCAA's because we (CA) can't afford to travel to the Mid-west each weekend...CA has no $$$$ right now! The NCAA shot the PAC-10 brutally! With less qualifiers = less success; less success = less money; less money = cut programs. The current NCAA qualifing system is a black eye to the West.
-JC is a valuable option, but our JC's compete only amongst themseleves, so once again, no national exposure...if not enough colleges are reaching their hand to CA, then CA needs to reach their hand out across the country!
-CA...CA is like no other place, we're a different world compare to most states, so it is difficult for a Cali Boy to successfully live anywhere else when our colleges (with no wrestling) are on the beach and the price is right...once again, lack of motivation.
That is just the tip of the iceburg. My point is that CA kids and coaches need to reach their hand out across the country instead of allowing them dissappear as a non placer.
For those in other states, our arrogance comes by nature. Out State tournament is not-comparable to any other. Each match is life or death, there are over 1100 matches of the best wrestling on the west coast. So when our state qualifiers beat your champs, it is simply laughable. Come live where we live, compete how we compete, and you'll see that the CA High School State tournament is the toughest in the country. One State...One State Champ
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#44
Anonymous Coward   March 17 at 9:41am
Makes sense to me
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#43
True Champion   March 17 at 8:47am
You're argument is moronic, ask any college coach and they will tell you they evaluate a HS wrestler by his tape and primarily out of season experience, not because he can say he was a state champ in Maine's small school division. If a wrestler wants to get noticed he has to either send highlights to coaches or participate in other tournaments, that does not change based on his geographic location.
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#42
Confused A Few Posts Below   March 17 at 8:25am
Qualifiers is the number of guys that had made it to the NCAA Division 1 National Championships this year.
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#41
Determined   March 17 at 8:14am
Zebulin Miller said:
Let me live in Cali for a year with a HD camera and it will get much smaller with the amount of vids I would shoot and how much coverage there would be! Ohio does not need me anymore.
Zeb,

We'll take you in Minnesota. You can shoot both MN and IA...
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#40
I Like It.   March 17 at 8:11am
This isn't an exact science, as the number of qualifiers will change every year. But the population will be somewhat similar. I like the idea though.
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#39
CONFUSED..HELP ME   March 17 at 7:36am
Can someone explain what is meant by the term "qualifiers"? Does this refer to the number of wrestlers per weight at the state tournament or does it refer to the number of regional tournaments that compete to qualify for the state tournament?

Someone explain
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#38
Zebulin Miller   March 17 at 7:05am
Let me live in Cali for a year with a HD camera and it will get much smaller with the amount of vids I would shoot and how much coverage there would be! Ohio does not need me anymore.
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#37
Mevans   March 17 at 6:51am
"Point Exactly"---

We ARE talking about the toughness of the state. Read Martin's title. But you are right as well. The question is: Considering Cali's toughness, do they send too few kids to the next level?
I think the answer is, "Meh...maybe, but not by too much." Martin is skewed towards Cali on this one, but he should be. You gotta rep your state.
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#36
Martin Kouyoumtjian   March 17 at 3:20am
I agree with some of what your saying, but have to totally disagree with the logic you use to make your argument. Yea California has 34 million people, but it only has about 25,000 wrestlers. That's .0007% (that's 7 ten thousandths of a percent) that your using to support your argument. Go back figure out how many wrestlers are in each state and recalculate your numbers accordingly. Appreciate what you guys do here.
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#35
RE San Diego   March 17 at 3:05am
In 08 California had no reps for the Olympics in Freestyle. I dont know about Greco. Since 2004 California also lost Fresno State and a handful of community College Programs. California does seem to be on a downward trend nationally (post high school.)
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#34
San Diego   March 17 at 2:08am
good stuff martin.
side note.
cali had the most olympic wrestlers in 2004, not sure about 08 though. cali had 4!
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#33
Eagle83   March 17 at 1:53am
Concerned Cali Coach said:
Ive been saying this for years. Martin, the fact is that most people cant think on that next level. Hell Half the posts think this is a battle of who has a better state tournament. They dont see the bigger picture..No one will challenge your Mo Lawal statement because you are right! Really they probably dont know who Mo Lawal is, you are not dealing with the most wrestling intelligent folk.

.
Coach,
I think there are probably quite of few CA coaches and many student-athletes with the same thought as you. It's probably not a "manly" comment according to those in the state of CA that like to boast though.
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#32
Concerned Cali Coach   March 17 at 1:34am
Ive been saying this for years. Martin, the fact is that most people cant think on that next level. Hell Half the posts think this is a battle of who has a better state tournament. They dont see the bigger picture..No one will challenge your Mo Lawal statement because you are right! Really they probably dont know who Mo Lawal is, you are not dealing with the most wrestling intelligent folk.

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#31
CALI   March 17 at 1:32am
Quit hating on cali we are the beat state
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#30
LALA Land   March 17 at 1:26am
Dave Navarro said:
If college coaches find it extremely difficult to recruit from Cali's one state tournament, I suggest they are not trying very hard or as hard as they could. State Champions from any number of Divisions don't always make the best college wrestlers.
Maybe you can explain why California has only 19 Qualifiers for the NCAA tournament even though it is such a strong wrestling state on the high school level.

And what a piss poor attitude about recruitment. If they arent recruiting us it must be because they are lazy? Well who loses most? Your California kids. The coaches only have so many hours in the day and cant comb through your masters tournament to find the diamond in the ruff. Is that there fault or just a reality of life. Id like to see you try and coach a top college team. See how many spare hours you have.
And Of course State champions dont always make the best college wrestlers but percentages are that if they are state champions or place high in state they will do better in college.
Get off your shaky pedestal before you fall on your arse.
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#29
Eagle83   March 17 at 12:52am
I agree with Martin on this one. I do think there are some good wrestlers that would continue wrestling if they got a taste of a state tournament in CA. Yes, there are some students that do continue even though they don't make it, but I agree there would be more with expanding it. What's wrong with making 2 or 3 classes in California? You just allow some pretty darn good wrestlers to get more exposure. What happens is people that want to boast about it being so tough lose a little of that. Is it about the kids or the adults? We need to promote the sport of wrestling in the U.S. Let a few more kids make the State tournament. With a state the size of CA you'll just be allowing a few more studs a chance to win it. Is that bad?
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#28
PA Wrestling   March 17 at 12:51am
If you caught the Dapper Dan Wrestling Classic this past weekend, PA having nearly double the amount of NCAA qualifiers than the next closest state should not be much of a surprise.

http://wrestlingclassic.com/2009/index.htm
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#27
Dom   March 17 at 12:16am
california has 10 sections to qualify to Cif/state. From here the breakdown for 3 sections goes subsections then masters for Sac jac, Southern, and Central. These 3 meatgrinders have a large amount of the schools in Ca and have a very good record at placing at the state meet. The recruiting aspect can be at the smaller level such as masters, don't give any bs that CA ain't doing its best because its a battle to get to state in ca unless you're a city boy
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#26
Anonymous Coward   March 17 at 12:04am
I was 36 and 2 my senior year and lost my first match at masters, so I didn't make it to the CA. state meet. I wouldn't change the chose to change the system in Ca. Those who love the sport stick around. Watering down the state tournament would make a watered down champions like many other states! Your off on this one Martin.
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#25
Abu Hasan   March 16 at 11:30pm
my 2 sense. ex. Richard Alarcon. sp? i think he took fifth at ca states. and i think he got a full ride wrestling scholarship!
is that jake from valhalla
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#24
Anonymous Coward   March 16 at 11:20pm
I loved seeing Idaho as number one. I know we're not even close to being top in the nation but the numbers show we're pulling our weight. I would like to see the same type of numbers for All-Americans per capita. Adam Hall, Kirk Smith, Jared Rosholt, Joey Fio, and Dan Erekson should all place, according to their seeds.
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#23
Burke   March 16 at 11:02pm
Holy cow 7 NYers at 149? That has to be state record of some sort...
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#22
Jake Roberts   March 16 at 10:50pm
There are 22 community college wrestling programs in California. If a wrestler in California is not recruited by a 4 year college/university out of high school they can simply walk on their local community college team. The opportunity is there for those who take it.
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#21
CALI DAD   March 16 at 10:47pm
Martin
What do you think of NCAA. 1 national champ. Awesome ..Thats how we feel about our state.....
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#20
To Blah   March 16 at 10:24pm
california has one 4xmer and only 14 3xmers
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#19
Dave Navarro   March 16 at 10:04pm
Laughing Out Loud.

... and 1+1 = 3 if a statistician so chooses.

I don't see how breaking Caifornia into multiple division helps change such eroneous numbers in the near or far future.

What Cali needs is to step up its off-season participation Nationally and non-wrestling community attendance locally. A tough challenge in these economically strained times, but not impossible.

If college coaches find it extremely difficult to recruit from Cali's one state tournament, I suggest they are not trying very hard or as hard as they could. State Champions from any number of Divisions don't always make the best college wrestlers.
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#18
CALI DAD   March 16 at 9:58pm
Hey, Leave our state alone. My son worked his ass off this year to place 3rd in the state as a junior. It is a honor to place in our state. It means something. its not watered down and those kids work hard to be the best. I would not trade a one time state placer from Ca to a 4 timer from Oregon.
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#17
Blah   March 16 at 9:48pm
look up PA state champions tell me how many 4x you find and how many 3x its about 50 times less then any other state i bet and yet we have 49 ncaa qualifiers
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#16
Oregon   March 16 at 9:44pm
oregon is the 14th toughest state and cali is the 34th? good joke not the whole population in california wrestles. last weekend california and oregon had a dual meet where oregon had multiple state champs and 4x state champs there and california had a couple of its state champs there but not as many as oregon. California won the dual meet 39-15 and you say oreegon is tougher? good joke. the kid at 112 from cali went 0-2 at state and beat a kid who had placed 2nd 3rd and 2nd at the oregon state meet and the CA kid at 125 beat a 4x OR state champ and the CA kid also went 0-2 at state and it was the first time he made it to state but then agian this was probly a fluke and oregon is probly way tougher than California and its one division
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#15
WOW   March 16 at 9:42pm
How about disregarding the number of divisions and the sizes of the populations. We don't care how good the states are per capita or per division, we want to know who has can produce the best 14 wrestlers. If you consider the qualifiers (big deal) per capita, Idaho is the best...CA is 34th, OK is 26th and DE is 4th? Team scoring at Senior Nationals should be added up with frosh/soph/junior nationals and the highest scoring state gets bragging rights for that year.
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#14
Bunch Of Numbers   March 16 at 9:34pm
the highest you can go it 2 classes like PA for example has AA and AAA because once you get past 2 you might as well have 80 the point of a high school state individual tournament is to find the best individual a each weight class the more divisions you add the less meaningful a state title would be and if your a great wrestler and love wrestling you will find a way to wrestle in college and theres also this site to post your matches on to show the world what you can do so if CA is tough enough they will find a way
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#13
Point Exactly   March 16 at 9:32pm
I like Martin's point about Mo Lawal. That is a perfect case of where a kid would get lost in California's depth and probably would never find himself.

Mevans you are completely wrong, Martin isnt talking about who is best, he is talking about how not enough of California's kids dont make it to the next level.
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#12
Mevans   March 16 at 9:28pm
I could buy that Cali should have more qualifiers, but honestly sixth seems to be in the ballpark. There aren't five "tougher" states some years? Perhaps a bit low--there may only be three tougher states. But not crazy--sixth is pretty good. And as I said in the other post, total state population is absolutely meaningless in the discussion
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#11
Mevans   March 16 at 9:23pm
You should not adjust for total population, you should adjust for the number of high school wrestlers in each state. Those numbers look a lot different (I have seen them somewhere else) and Cali is higher.

Even that is silly if you ask me, though. Cali is sixth this year in terms of qualifiers--any number crunching beyond to "level the playing field" doesn't make sense. We are, after all, talking about who is best, not who is best after handicaps.
Having a decent number of people and wrestlers is part of overall strength. It's cool to see how strong Idaho is per population, but nobody who isn't on crack would ever say they are number one in a meaningful way.
Also, going sheerly by NCAA qualifiers for one year is interesting, but not statistically meaningful, as others have pointed out.
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#10
Martin Floreani   March 16 at 9:09pm
Pulido, you guys are missing the point. Of course California is not the 34th toughest state. That is ridiculous. And Steve Ward, sure you can do more in depth statistical analysis, but I think most people agrees California should have way more Qualifiers for how tough a wrestling state it is.

If in 2009 only 19 Qualifiers came from California there is a ridiculous amount of talent never being recruited in California. I believe a major factor is because you have a state tournament that is 4-5 times bigger than the next biggest state tournament in the nation.That state tournament isnt helping California bring as many guys to the next level as it should.

I would even argue that it would be harder to drop Community College programs and NCAA programs if there were more classes in the state tournament.

Im not some crazy left wing professional educator who wants all kids to win. I dont want to water down competition in California, I want to ratchet it up. I want California to start repping a more reasonable amount of NCAA qualifiers given the talent in the state.
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#9
M Budz   March 16 at 9:04pm
Thx, Martin. Literally, one in a Million.

Cool chart.
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#8
Luke Pulido   March 16 at 8:49pm
Mr. Hedgehog said:
.... cmon u cant really take this seriously whether it ranks you well or poorly. im from NJ and we got ranked 5th. i know were a tough wrestling state but it has nothing to do with the way this is set up. there are so many statistical outliers and variables its mind boggling. can anyone in their right mind honestly say idaho is the toughest wrestling state? of course not. so whether your state came out in the top ten or dead last it really means nothing.
I completely agree w/ your statement.
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#7
Mr. Hedgehog   March 16 at 8:47pm
.... cmon u cant really take this seriously whether it ranks you well or poorly. im from NJ and we got ranked 5th. i know were a tough wrestling state but it has nothing to do with the way this is set up. there are so many statistical outliers and variables its mind boggling. can anyone in their right mind honestly say idaho is the toughest wrestling state? of course not. so whether your state came out in the top ten or dead last it really means nothing.
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#6
Eric Pitts   March 16 at 8:36pm
Crap state meets will not bring more exposure. Then are ruining and watering down the state meet in my home state of IL. Two classes was fine but 3 is a joke. I love our one class state meet in CA.
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#5
Cali Is The Hardest!   March 16 at 8:36pm
Same goes for San Francisco, Oakland and Los Angelos where there are almost no wrestling...next!
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#4
Indiana Native   March 16 at 8:34pm
I am very happy to see Indiana in the top 10. We have been putting out great talent in the recent years. Escebedo, Hernandez, Humprey, Tsirtsis, and Wisconsin Wrestling phenom and true freshmen Andrew Howe.
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#3
Luke Pulido   March 16 at 8:25pm
tt said:
many people in california pride themselves on only having one state title and you know this way that the champ is truely the best in the state of that year. it may help with college recruiting but when there are california kids no one has heard of at freestyle and greco nationals in fargo placing as well as beating the nations best on occasion at junior duals in OK city you realise how tough the state truely is. Keep one state title in Cali us west coasters like it this way...
He is pretty much on the ball. CA is much tougher then other states ranked ahead of them. They are in the top 10 easily for HS Wrestling. Pop. means nothing. So erase that and just look at the prospects and wrestlers overall compared to other states.
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#2
Tt   March 16 at 8:17pm
many people in california pride themselves on only having one state title and you know this way that the champ is truely the best in the state of that year. it may help with college recruiting but when there are california kids no one has heard of at freestyle and greco nationals in fargo placing as well as beating the nations best on occasion at junior duals in OK city you realise how tough the state truely is. Keep one state title in Cali us west coasters like it this way...
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#1
Jonathon   March 16 at 7:52pm
As an Indiana native, I'm pleasantly surprised to break the top 10. Rock on!
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