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The Day the Music Died?

Frank Popolizio | Profile
October 12, 2009

I run two college wrestling tournaments in the month of November. Both are quickly growing events - Journeymen’s Sprawl & Brawl (Binghamton, NY) and the Northeast Collegiate Duals (Troy, NY). These events are gaining popularity with the college coaches because they are pre-determined match ups early on in the season. They also are designed to promote, showcase and advocate wrestling. The Northeast Duals’ role in particular is a bit more elaborate. There isn’t a D-I, II or III NCAA wrestling program within 60 miles of Albany, so the event is designed to inspire our wrestling youth. “If they see it, they’ll want to be it”. With that notion in mind, we’ve worked hard at making these two events a bit more than a jamboree of dual meets. We’ve tried to fire up the fans. Make them “events”, not just wrestling tournaments. The events have ½ time shows, pep bands, announcers, vendors, interactive games, meet and greets with former wrestling legends turned MMA champions, etc. Needless to say it’s been a big success. Last year nearly 2,500 people showed to watch wrestling. Granted it’s not record setting attendance figures, but keep in mind we are not in “wrestling country”, so 2,500 people is noteworthy. Furthermore, year one drew 275 people.

Everything is good – right? Well not so fast. There’s been a change. This year the NCAA has added a rule change that may have slipped through the radar for most college wrestling fans –

Rule 9.1.6 and it states: “Noise Restrictions. Recorded music may not be played, bands may not perform and artificial noisemakers may not be used during wrestling action”.

The rule doesn’t really impact a single dual meet, because you can still play music in between matches without compromising the rule. However, it does impact events like ours, the VA Duals and the National Duals, which has multiple mats going on simultaneously. The point is once a match begins, no music can be played – Pep band, Recorded Music (that we traditionally play when widely recognized guys walk on the mat or when a fall occurs), etc.

It personally doesn’t affect me. I will watch wrestling all day, regardless if there’s music or not; however, 50% of the audience at the Northeast Duals are high school aged kids and the majority of them get bored quickly. Being keen on marketing and people’s input, I’ve asked fans, competitors and coaches at my events, “What is it you liked about the duals”? They’ve been unanimous in saying that they love the ambiance and the entertainment – the music in particular. I can’t help but to believe that this new rule will have a negative impact on the already atrophying fan-base of college wrestling. At a time where other sports are more aggressive in their marketing approach, wrestling seems to want to take a more conservative posture. Don’t get me wrong I’m all about preserving tradition and respect, but there’s ways to do that without hindering the marketability of the sport.

As soon as I heard of the rule I was proactive. I reached out to the NCAA rules committee. I asked for an interpretation of the rule and requested a waiver. I also reached out to many of the college coaches. It surprised me to find out that almost none of them knew of the rule. What was more shocking was I couldn’t find a single coach that was in favor of it. Many coaches brought up the point that almost all wrestling rooms have music on when they “Go live”. Ultimately my request for a waiver was denied.

I certainly respect the NCAA decision and plan on abiding by the new rules. But I guess I’d like to further inquire on a few things - How did this come about? Was music an issue in the past? Was it the referees that thought it was getting in the way of the matches? Were coaches and wrestlers polled in advance of creating this rule – because my findings show otherwise. I’ve emailed all D-I coaches and I have only had one somewhat disagree.

As I said earlier, it is my personal opinion that this new rule will significantly hurt the already atrophied wrestling fan base. I hope we can weather the storm and adjust accordingly in the very near future.

Frank Popolizio

Journeymen Wrestling



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#35
Coach   October 19 at 10:28pm
I totaly agree this is the gayest thing ever i know how shen has that befor ematches gay rule needs to be chagned asap.
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#34
DOtn Worry About   October 19 at 10:27pm
Ur a creap poplozzio dead ass u freaking draft kids from other places so they go to shen when u guys face colonie wew will destroy you no one cares for journeyman u grreedy face tnt titans atwa where its at
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#33
Hey Harshaw   October 18 at 2:25am
You realize that your coach Garland is on the wrestling committee. why didn't he do something and get the other coaches to stand up to the administrators on the committee
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#32
Gary DeRaad   October 17 at 12:31pm
Excellent rule. In a dual, when the music can be planned and choreographed to add to the spectacle, it enhances the action. In a tournament I feel that it does not add enough to make up for the distraction.
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#31
Dckundr   October 16 at 8:12pm
Great Tourney's Mr.Pop. New Yorks Mat Manics Thank you. I will making the trip up the Tacanic and up I-90 this year to watch. I would think having AC/DC Back in Black going on while I was wrestling would be kinda annoying but if the Top D-1 coaches do not think its a prob then it must not be......but cannot believe, John Smith, Tom Brands, and Cael being in favor of live music going on when they are coaching their kids in a dual.
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#30
Drew Black   October 16 at 10:46am
I fully agree. I played music throughout my home duals. I even bring a DJ to my matches. The fans like it, I know my guys were loose and enjoying some tunes before they wrestled. It also breaks up the uncomfortable silence that occurs during matches. The music was played at a level where you can still coach, here the referees, etc.. Basketball, football, and other sports have bands playing all the time at games. Why shouldn't wrestling think outside the box and create a great environment for our sport.
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#29
Jim Harshaw   October 15 at 8:56pm
Leave it to the NCAA to spoil the fun. They make the rules, we have to find a way to succeed despite them.
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#28
Martin Santiago   October 15 at 11:35am
Reminds me of the meet between Rutgers and Rider.

Kessler had a false start with Winston due to the ridic. loud band music going on.
Not a biggie, but eh, w.e. kind of annoying really
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#27
Anonymous Coward   October 15 at 8:48am
i forget what tourney it was, im pretty sure it was penn state open...but the music was on at constant level from start to finish and that type is very annoying. no music at tourneys unless its between sessions, and duals are the same as they are now. no big deal.
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#26
John   October 15 at 8:31am
If you can actually get the Marching Band or Pep Band to actually come to a wrestling match, you better let them play!
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#25
Bret Maughan   October 14 at 3:12pm
The NCAA's function is the creation of, and enforcement of rules. It should come as no surprise given the thickness of the rule book, that rules do not have to make sense or even be enforceable pass the NCAA's threshold to make sense. (EG: The nightmare that is our weight certification system.)
My question is this, what are they going to do to you if you break it? Nothing.
Hope your event continues to grow, and good luck working with the bureaucracy.
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#24
Ted Smith   October 14 at 2:17pm
Is there a specific case that prompted this rule?
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#23
Frank Popolizio   October 14 at 9:55am
You can't haveafical noise once wrestling begins. A single dual wouldn't be an issue. All other formats could be an issue. In our format someone is always wrestling. Mat 1 might be open, but mats 2-6 are occupied.
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#22
Ollie Cooperwood   October 14 at 9:49am
Frank,

I agree with you I really dislike this rule. I'm surprised the rules commitee came up with this rule. Especially if you look at how wrestling use to be (i.e. dual meets between Iowa State vs. Iowa , Okie vs. Oklahoma etc...). They have got to get smarter than this. So if I am not mistaken you can't have a band at dual meets anymore or does this just pertain to tournaments?
Ollie Cooperwood
Asst Coach
Shippensburg University
Office: 717-477-1280
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#21
Frank Popolizio   October 14 at 7:39am
I think its important to remember that we've been operating with professionalism. Brian Hazard is our guy. He's great at achieving balance. I'm sure there has been other venues where it can get out of control.

We are not playing music throughout the entire event - Just small 30 second clips. The issue is in our format there is always someone wrestling, so the rule prevents even a pep band from doing a 30 second clip while their man takes the mat. It makes it a tough scenario
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#20
Observer   October 14 at 7:29am
I don't love the idea of music going on while people are competing. That said, if the audience is high school age males and they won't come in as many numbers otherwise, it might be useful to consider a waiver or rule change. I can't recall being at a match where this was an issue.
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#19
Johann Gerlach   October 14 at 12:54am
So what's the NCAA wrestling rule committee going to do next? Jump on a boat and pi$$ in the wind? Push a piano uphill? Morons. The lot of them. You know, promote fun.
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#18
Kit Hovey   October 13 at 9:25pm
I've been involved in this sport all of my life and could sit through any wrestling event without any outside entertainment. However, my feelings are not shared by the general public, I agree wholeheartedly with Mr. Popolizio. I promote a dirt racetrack in Iowa, we always need to think out of the box when trying to attract new fans and new participants. Ironically my announcer started playing music during the entrance of certain classes of cars this year, much like MMA has walking music. It really helped pick up the crowd and add excitement to the event. Frank, you sound like a showman, good luck to you.
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#17
Steve Mytych   October 13 at 9:25pm
i would love to comment but il wait till my career is over..;)
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#16
Ankle Picker   October 13 at 8:55pm
I'm not a big fan of music during wrestling. I haven't been to the Northeast Duals, but I do think the music at the Beast of the East is pretty annoying.

I also thought the music at the world championships in NYC was inappropriate. They were playing cheesy music during the finals! I swear at one point Barzakov started dancing during his final.

The question is how far do you take it? I'm sure you could bring in a bunch of ring card girls to tell us all what period it is and attract an even bigger crowd but at what cost? Maybe I'm naive here but to me it's still amateur sports. If the goal was to make money, I could see it being a good idea, but it's not, the goal is great competition. Or at least it should be. When your product is good it sells. Your product is very good. You keep bringing in the likes of OSU, Iowa, PSU and people will come, music or not.
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#15
Steve Mytych   October 13 at 8:48pm
This is the worst rule ever.....
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#14
Rocker Will   October 13 at 4:46pm
I think it's a pretty lousy rule. For me, music and wrestling were the most important things in my life. I'd wrestle great if I was listening to Kiss or something nice and up-tempo. I think athletes get up for it when they hear "jock-jams", so to speak :). It makes them feel like they're in an arena and they wanna go put out their best effort.

From a fan standpoint, it's nice to have something extra to rev up the crowd and make things more entertaining. The die-hard fans always enjoy the tournaments, music or not. But it is important to attract and retain new fans in order to grow the sport.
If the NCAA is a business, and many would argue that it is, wouldn't it be in their best interests to make other sports more profitable? Or at least not pass rules that would hinder that progress. A packed gym for a wrestling event, full of people who paid admission and spent money at the concession stand...And all of them having a good time, telling their friends about it afterwards. God forbid that ever happen! (sarcasm)
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#13
Like The Music   October 13 at 4:35pm
There are some great announcers out there that use music properly such as Jason Bryant and Brian Hazzard to name a couple. This rule does not prohibit using music from single dual meets but affects tournaments/multiple duals when you have a number of matches going on at the same time. Where do you draw the line with the music? What would be acceptable versus not acceptable? I like it but I know I have sat next to some older gentleman that did nothing but complain about it. i often wonder, is our sport that boring that we need music.

Yes, they play music at other sporting events but not during the play of the game. That is the issue we have with the multiple duals and tournaments.
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#12
Anonymous Coward   October 13 at 3:43pm
when we can get more than 20 fans in the stands for duals everywhere, then we can worry about things like noise makers. Until then, who cares.
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#11
Anonymous Coward   October 13 at 1:28pm
A bunch of idiots.
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#10
Duuuude   October 13 at 1:18pm
officials hate the music during tournaments. We all know that, wrestling tournaments are about the officials. Comforts, food, money, hotels. It's not about the volunteers who set up the tournaments, run the tables, manage the tournament or the wrestlers that wrestle.
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James Hogue   October 13 at 12:57pm
There is an awful lot of band noise at every Division I football and basketball game that I have seen. Why not wrestling?
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Anonymous Coward   October 13 at 12:07pm
The NCAA Wrestling Committee should be looking for ways to expand the sport of wrestling, not passing stupid rules that restrict it.

My solution:
If a wrestler feels that music being played at a tournament is so distracting that it is going to hinder his performance, he may request to have it stopped during his match and resumed at its conclusion. The people running the tournament must grant his request.
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#7
You Do Realize   October 13 at 11:49am
That this rule was approved by NCAA Wrestling Committee who is made up of NCAA Wrestling Coaches and Athletic Directors. Committee members include Garland, Zalesky, Ersland to name a few also the Chair is former NCAA Runner-up Brad Traviolia who wrestled at Northwestern
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Former Coach Geurin!   October 13 at 11:20am
What's next? Will heavyweights will be banned from breathing heavy during the 3rd period? Will Martin be banned from yelling "What? What?" When he sees someone get launched?

Is there a similar rule in other sports? Sports like Track and field and wrestling tourneys are like a 3 ring circus. There is always action going on.
ps Journeymen rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jordan Stepleton   October 13 at 10:58am
Andrew Plaugic said:
i dont really notice. it doesnt matter really
I agree. I myself bring a cd player with headphones. I would rather not have music myself, just the announcer. Too distracting. Just my opinion, I don't expect anyone to agree with me.
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Mike Tamillow   October 13 at 10:48am
That's how bloated corporations function. The guys at the top come up with rules they feel are necessary for everyone to follow without understanding how the system works. Then the people below them do whatever the hell they want to make sure things work because they know how the system works and they understand what needs to get done.

It appears as if no one supports nor cares about this rule. That means you should continue to do what you want. The NCAA doesn't regularly check up on people and if there is an individual in the wrestling community that opposes what you are trying to do, then you need to win that one person over. If the NCAA has anything to say about it, that's when you gather up support and protest. It was a good idea to double check it with other coaches though, if the rule really did have support it would make sense to follow it.
2,500 fans is pretty good. Even 275 fans are significant. You've got to go with what you have and keep trying to win another person over any way possible. If you have that many people who are satisfied with the tournament you are running, the NCAA is going to have a much harder time telling you what to do.
That's just my view. I know some people are rules sticklers. And I wouldn't say "don't follow the rules" I would just say "don't blindly follow the rules just because they are rules"
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DC   October 13 at 10:45am
As a D1 Collegiate wrestler.. I protest this rule change!
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Real Deal   October 13 at 10:26am
No surprise, the NCAA has done nothing to promote the sport of college wrestling, basically they are interested in March madness and "bowl" games.

Show me the money!
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Andrew Plaugic   October 13 at 10:14am
i dont really notice. it doesnt matter really
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