Divison I coaching, or any level of coaching, in wrestling needs to be intense. If you are doing it right you probably are spending 70-80 hours a week on building your program and so are your assistants. There is just too much to do, marketing, raising money, counseling kids, recruiting and….coaching wrestling. A quote from Tom Ryan also applies here: "No matter all the hard work you do, we compete knowing that nothing is guaranteed because of our hard work". If you work hard and still CANT produce real results you STILL need to find another profession. The fact is that in every profession their are those that perform and those that do not. If you fail to perform or advance your program through several facets: marketing and community awareness, program sustainability, and of course results on the mat than you should probably find another profession. Coaches are the care takers of their program and if the program gets dropped or downsized it is ultimately their responsibility. John Hartupee's Duquesne University got dropped a couple of days ago. Frankly, probably like a lot of you I didn't know where it was even located. I knew it existed by reading results but probably would have to guess to tell you if it was division 1 or not. Well I learned that it was in the heart of Pittsburg PA. I also learned that John Hartupee was a coach at Duquesne for 12 seasons not for 1 or 2 season. He got beat out by every other sport at his university when they downsized from 20 to 16 sports. He was in the heart of wrestling country. There are a lot of things going for Duquesne Wrestling just in their geography. Ultimately this failure goes all on John Hartupee's shoulders. Is there a lot of responsibility with running a program? Absolutely. Is head coaching a collegiate wrestling a very dynamic position? Absolutely. In this case John Hartupee guided his ship into an iceberg, not over a course of weeks but over a course of years. They have been heading down this course for the last 5 years, and nothing was done to avoid this proverbial iceberg. Although its all on John Hartupee's shoulders, his alumni and the local wrestling community also should take some blame for not addressing this situation. They should have demanded more and been honest with him and the administration that he was not the right person for the job. He was not cut out for the job of head coach. Does that mean that John Hartupee is a bad person? Absolutely not. It just means he is not cut out forthis job. Is it 3x harder to be a great coach in wrestling than most other sports? Absolutely. John Hartupee may have been a good or great coach relative to other coaches in the nation, but he did not handle the complexity of being a division 1 wrestling coach. Marketing, Fundraising and Wrestling Results all need to happen at a very intense level. We as a community need to put more peer pressure for those that are not performing to leave to more eager coaches. Now John Hartupee's legacy goes down on the list with Chuck Kearney, the coach that was at the helm when Oregon dropped its program. Everyone knew it was ultimately his responsibility that the program got dropped. We can blame this that and the other, but the buck stops at the head coach. Im singling out John Hartupee and I may sound cruel, but what I think is cruel is about the 20-35 kids, in the heart of PA, who wont get a chance to wrestle at the collegiate level next year. They are missing out on the best and exciting sport in the world. I hear it over and over where ever I go…"some of these coaches are just collecting pay checks." Well shame on them. You have to earn the right to be a division 1 coach EVERY SINGLE YEAR. If you cant take this pressure and this criticism in this blog then get out of coaching, the community can find someone who will eagerly take it on. The coaches that should be leaving ARENT worthless. They hold a lot of knowledge and connections in the community that can really help the incoming coach. They most likely are an important part of the community. They are not, however, an important part of the community as a coach, they are a liability. Im an optimist through and through, but Im also a realist. There are plenty of schools that don't have big names outside of the wrestling community but are forces within. Mark Cody of American University may be wrestling's coach of the decade. American University is now fully funded! Also note that American University isn't in the heart of wrestling country where Duquesne existed. When he took it over it was barely even heard of with only a couple of scholarships. Was it an easy road? Hell no. Mark Cody just found a way. We need more coaches like him. And judging by the assistant coaches I see day in and day out there are plenty of people that have the potential! One last point. I sometimes see it a lot where the head coach is no longer have the drive and visionary behind a program. The program stays afloat and sometimes even thrives because of the hard working and driven assistant. This also holds a program back. Precious resources of a wrestling program are going to pay someone who isn't producing value. I ask all division 1 coaches to take a good look at yourself and evaluate yourself for the good of the sport.
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Andrew Berreyesa
3 years ago
It's not only up to the coach and a couple of boosters and alumni to protect a program. It's mostly up to the wrestlers to try their hardest and push themselves at practice. In the words of the great Danny Hodge, "If everyone else runs 5 laps around the school, I go back and run 4 more". Or they should do what Dan Gable did and wrestle everyone at each weight. This all proves that it's more than just the coach's fault. |
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Erich
3 years ago
Colleges don't need wrestling or any other single sport, but they'll WANT the activity if the program is integrated with the community and is relevant through difference-making (positive press, winning, drawing students to campus via camps, etc). |
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Jim H. & Riot Staff
3 years ago
Want to do something for your program? Sponsor this for your team... |
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Wrestling is dying
3 years ago
Wrestling is dying a slow and painful death. How many D1 schools are left? Are we down to 80 schools yet? re no schools for the kids to wrestle anymore. The only schools that succeed do it through raising their own money. USA wrestling is in shambles with no clear direction. We can't decide as a nation what style to wrestle. Folkstyle or freestyle. Wrestling as a sport will always be the purest form of hand to hand combat in schools. Wrestlers know it's the best, but we are the only ones who know or care. Watch some of the match coverage here on flo. Some of the best schools bangin' heads and there are like 50 people in the stands. Wrestling is on it's way out. RIP |
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3 years ago
Gus revived the program in the early 90's; they had a team previously that was cut in the late 70's or early 80's. A lot of those older donors do donate to the uinversity but not the wrestling program.What college did you coach at? |
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Mike Catullo
3 years ago
Bringing kids to camp? Not donating?Anonymous Coward, your right, it may not be much, but it is what I have to offer and I am doing something rather than nothing. I am staying involved supporting my program. |
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in the know
3 years ago
One other thing to consider, Duquesne's program was started not all that long ago- early 90's- by Gus DeAugustino (legendary North Allegheny HS coach). Their alumni base isn't in their 60's and 70's where they are donating significantly amounts. However, does that mean there wasn't more that could have been done?Gus revived the program in the early 90's; they had a team previously that was cut in the late 70's or early 80's. A lot of those older donors do donate to the uinversity but not the wrestling program. Everyone that is against Martin on this is dead wrong. It doesn't matter what the university is or is not giving you. He was hired on to run a wrestling team and part of that is garnering support however and from whomever you can. How many camps or tournaments did you ever go to at Duquesne since the NHSCA quit using the Palumbo Center? A coach can't rely on anything from their administation but heartache. You have to find a way to work around all obstacles. |
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Zebulin Miller
3 years ago
I think Martin is a whatever it takes guy and his assumption is that Duquesne and many of these other coaches would just do what he would to keep the program around. Whatever it takes means spending his own money and investing his own time to keep the program around. I have no idea the situation at Duquesne so I can't speak to it, Martin is just telling you his feelings and how he would react to the situation. He constantly puts himself out there and tries to help the community, I have been irritated with his words or actions before but in the end look at the body of work he has done for the wrestling community. I don't think he is out to hurt anyone in the community only offer driven thinking and lend his whatever it takes actions and attitude. Love him or hate him, he has done a ton for wrestling. |
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3 years ago
A tireless rant based on assumption, ignorance, and wishfull thinking. This is not the reality of college wrestling. The majority of programs do not have the resources to become major powers or even prolong the competitive level of a good recruiting class that may come along. Why do you see the same old teams bounce in and out of the top 10 and an even fewer into the top 1,2, or 3 spots? For how many years has it been the same teams? At all levels of the NCAA. There are 80 some DI programs and only about 1/8 of them are ever truly competitive at the top. From time to time, a program will have a couple of good kids that carry them, then they fall off. |
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3 years ago
If you work on this theory and cut every coach and program that doesnt produce results you will end up losing a lot of programs. I agree that coaches should get their schools name out there, try to get funding from as many places as possible, and try their damndest to produce good athletes but the nature of sports is there will always be people on the bottom of the barrel. Somebody has to loose. More than this, a coaches over-riding job (maybe not at the collegiate level) "should" be to produce young men that have a sense of accomplishment, pride, work ethic, and a strong moral base. While winning is great we as coaches are supposed to teach these men how to be good people and how to work hard for the things they want. |
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3 years ago
marty is off on some points, but he is on with others. coaches, outside of the traditional powers, need to be more than just coaches. they have to be marketers, salesman, fundraisers and more. not an easy task, especially if your pay is 45K per year. however, that is how it has to be if the sport is going to survive. with current social media outlets and the ability to use technology to your advantage, it is not as hard as it once was. think outside of the box. it is an old cliche, but it applies to this sport. |
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Anonymous Coward
3 years ago
I am glad to see that some people agree that Martin is an idiot!!! He has never walked in a wrestling coaches shoes before, and maybe never even wore a pair of wrestling shoes! He has no understanding for what college wrestling coaches do on a daily basis. I know that coaches need to get it done, no matter what but some programs are set up by these administrations to FAIL!! Few scholarships to offer, no alumni support, and lack of marketing can make it close to impossible for a coach in these situations to salvage a wrestling program let alone thrive. Coaches in the Big 10/Big 12 work tons of hours every week to achieve success without having to worry about things that Coach Hartupee had to worry about. Big time schools have unbelievable assistant coaches, academic support, facilities, budgets, sports marketing, etc...... Coaches at small D1 programs have to do it all.....recruit, fundraise, advise, counsel, strength and condition, film review, technique, paper work, camps, advertise, etc.... The point being is that some of these administrations set these programs up to fail and thats what needs to be recognized here. There is only so much that one man with a part time assistant coach can do with out having to work for 16 hours a day everyday for his entire life! Martin I think that you have pissed off a good majority of the wrestling community that youre desperately trying to win over. You need to get your facts straight and watch what you say before you spout off at the mouth. Its easy to sit at a desk and behind a camera and site your opinion but if you truly dont know what youre talking about I sest that you watch what you say or your going to start making enemies!!! And for the rest of you people that agree with Martin, shame on you. |
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3 years ago
Bringing kids to camp? Not donating? |
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zevenesh
3 years ago
Man, I remember when I attended Kean University, a D3 school in Union, NJ. They were a top 10 ranked program and their head coach resigned.... Next yr they brought in a coach who had lots of disagreements w/the kids. The coach left mid season and the kids too over the program without a coach! |
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Mike Catullo
3 years ago
All bickering and finger pointing aside... When will we (wrestling alumni) get it. Our wrestling programs need our help. Regardless of who is manning the ship, we need to support our wrestling programs. |
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3 years ago
DIII Coach, |
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DU Alum
3 years ago
Martin Although you make some valid points about a head coach being the driving force behind a program
you need to do a little more research before kicking a man while hes down. |
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3 years ago
this article is well stated....duquesne is not being run correctly and its been a long time coming. Yes the administration probably sux. But thats probably one of these reasons why the head coach has been there for so long cause they really could give a crap about wrestling. Its sad that such great location can go to waste like this. Its very strange to be honest. |
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D III Coach
3 years ago
I am enjoying the spirited debate. Martin I think you hit the nail on the head in with many of your points but I have to ask do you know personally the whole story at Duquesne? I have coached now close to ten years at three different institutions. Each place has had a different way of doing things that were institutional or conference related and nothing to do with the NCAA. My previous institution made it very hard to go out of state and get kids they petty much had to have a 4.0 and great SAT/ACT. My current institution will not allow me to do any sort fund rising because they do not want me taking any money from the area that they could get. I will say as an athlete I looked at the head coach and thought his life was cake because all he had to do was recruit and coach. As an assistant I looked at the head coach and understood that it was way more difficult. Now as a head coach I fully see and understand the pressure that they were under not just what they put on themselves but from out side sources as well. From what it sounds like the AD was very unsupportive and they were in a no win situation. If we all had administrations like some in the Big 10 and 12 that allowed a coaching staff to make things happen we might not be in this current situation. When you are hard on a staff you might want to know the whole story first because I would bet the farm that they had rules and boundaries that make zero sense, almost like they wanted them to fail. All this being said though excuses are like arm pits we all gotem and they all stink. Martins right coaches need to think outside the box but more importantly find a way to make it happen; even with the deck is stacked against them. |
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3 years ago
High School Senior Nationals were held for a year or two at Duquesne at the beginning of the decade. I'm sure there were other instances where they tried to promote their program too. I'm not saying that Martin is outright wrong in his argument, but his response here was uneducated/uninformed. |
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3 years ago
Deal with it? You mean sit back as they continue to drop programs? |
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Martin Floreani
3 years ago
Martin, why didn't Duquesne's wrestling Alumni Donate? The answer, for anyone that actually follows the sport and gets facts rather than just shoot their mouth off, is simply that the program has only been around since the 90s.No one said it is an ideal situation. Any wrestling coach in the year 2010 is not in an ideal situation. Deal with it. We need guys who can face the fire not ones that will complain of the situation. Every situation is unique but being in the heart of PA in Pittsburgh there are other programs who have held worse hands and found a way to come through. We need coaches who are up to the challenge and fight. If I didnt know where Duquesne is then there is a problem. No Marketing effort, no wrestling results and apparently not much fan/alumni donors. |
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3 years ago
Martin, why didn't Duquesne's wrestling Alumni Donate? The answer, for anyone that actually follows the sport and gets facts rather than just shoot their mouth off, is simply that the program has only been around since the 90s. |

That is a bunch of BS to put it on the coach. You said yourself that you don't know about Duquesne, which means you don't know about the hostile envirmonment towards wrsetling the coach had to deal with, plus just having a part-time assistant. how dare you put it on the coach and mention is name over and over.