It's not only up to the coach and a couple of boosters and alumni to protect a program. It's mostly up to the wrestlers to try their hardest and push themselves at practice. In the words of the great Danny Hodge, "If everyone else runs 5 laps around the school, I go back and run 4 more". Or they should do what Dan Gable did and wrestle everyone at each weight. This all proves that it's more than just the coach's fault.
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Anonymous Coward, your right, it may not be much, but it is what I have to offer and I am doing something rather than nothing. I am staying involved supporting my program.
I think Martin is a whatever it takes guy and his assumption is that Duquesne and many of these other coaches would just do what he would to keep the program around. Whatever it takes means spending his own money and investing his own time to keep the program around. I have no idea the situation at Duquesne so I can't speak to it, Martin is just telling you his feelings and how he would react to the situation. He constantly puts himself out there and tries to help the community, I have been irritated with his words or actions before but in the end look at the body of work he has done for the wrestling community. I don't think he is out to hurt anyone in the community only offer driven thinking and lend his whatever it takes actions and attitude. Love him or hate him, he has done a ton for wrestling.
All bickering and finger pointing aside... When will we (wrestling alumni) get it. Our wrestling programs need our help. Regardless of who is manning the ship, we need to support our wrestling programs.I will be the first to admit, I have never given a dime to my alma mater other than the school loans I pay every month. However, I do give back to the program in other ways, I help bring kids in for their camps, send names of potential recruits their way, attend alumni functions and whatever else I can to support the program.As a community, we have watched one institution or another drop wrestling over the last decade. This is, if not already an endangered sport at the Division I level. For whatever reason it is not beneficial for institutions to offer a wrestling program within the framework of Division I.Lets do something before another 20 kids need to find a new home.Are you supporting your wrestling program. If not, start now. Call the coach and ask what can you do.
No one said it is an ideal situation. Any wrestling coach in the year 2010 is not in an ideal situation. Deal with it. We need guys who can face the fire not ones that will complain of the situation. Every situation is unique but being in the heart of PA in Pittsburgh there are other programs who have held worse hands and found a way to come through. We need coaches who are up to the challenge and fight. If I didnt know where Duquesne is then there is a problem. No Marketing effort, no wrestling results and apparently not much fan/alumni donors.
Look at the University of Wyoming. It went from University of who??? To having an All-American and several kids who could place. What changed????? The coach. Mark Branch is doing a great job. He has revitalized a program, reenergized a state, and now you know they have a program. Martin is right, produce or move on. Our sport has too much to lose at this point.
Just because its not the most desirable situation doesn't mean that the wrestlers, fans, and Duquesne's program in general don't deserve a coach that is going to throw themselves into fire for them. Maybe we need to start blaming coaches. Im one of them. My team, Middlesex County College, is becoming competitive again after years of lying dormant. I understand that this is not a D1 program and there are a lot more things that go into that, but before I got the job there the administration REALLY wanted to drop the program. The coach at the time realized that he wasn't the answer (not because of a lack of knowledge about the sport, but more because of lack of time he willing to give up) so he interview to replace himself.The people around the wrestling community always say that "If there was more money involved in the sport things would be better". I think that we're looking at it the wrong way. Lets say a 35 year old guy gets hired as a head coach of a middle-of-the-road-D1-program. This guy is now making 60k a year plus camps, clinics, etc. Which is probably more than most "middle-of-the road" coaches make on the books. If after 5 years the program is still "middle-of-the-road" would you hire him back? Most colleges would. I like to think that I wouldn't, but the truth is I might, there's a lot more that goes into that too. But the point is that just because you throw money at a problem doesn't mean its solved. Granted, offering more money than a competing school would attract better coaches, but if that dollar amount became the status quo then the same problem would exist. There is no monetary incentive for a coach to be successful after they get hired by a good program.5 years ago I would have taken the job at Duquesne, gotten paid next to nothing, and if I turned the program around I would have walked up to the AD and demanded more money. If he didn't want to give it to me, or he couldn't afford me then I would make another team successful.Long story short....... Incentive based salary is the way to go.
Exactly. Coaches needed to make their programs well known in the community, not just the wrestling community. They need to make these teams relevant to average people. Create an interest. It goes beyond just the funding. Be creative and get you're team known. If a program is being brought to the forefront, AD's, boosters, etc. will think twice before pulling the plug. You have to get out and compete with those other sports and show them you are just as viable and important.
I think this can be applied to all programs throughout the country; including middle school to freestyle clubs to even high school programs. Being competitive and producing results- if a coach cannot do these as a coach then, yes Martin, they can be a liability. Other factors are involved as well I'm sure, but just my 2 cents, what do I know?
Yes Antony- if the NCAA would live up to their mission and truly try to provide opportunity to more student-athletes the solution would be in front of them.Also, if you look at the mens sports kept at DU, soccer, track and tennis, they all have the benefit sharing resources- facility, travel, etc. Hard for an AD to justify keeping wrestling- not because it's not exciting, or doesn't draw a crowd, or isn't a top 25 program but for funding reasons. Hartupee was against the wall when it came to alumni. There are few and they are young- not the ideal donor base. So- how do we change that for the next Duquesne? "Fundraising through fan raising"
I was a Title IX basher before I did a paper on it and recieved all the facts. The fact of the matter is, it is not primarily Title IX. Title IX is used as an excuse and it is easy to get people sidetracked in that direction to take heat off the real problem; althletic budgets.Athletic budgets have been trimmed over the years and too much of the money is then given to the big sports like football and basketball. The budgets for these sports is astronomical. If they cut back on the 85 full-ride scholarships they give out for football, and insane spending on travel, clothing, etc, the universites would be able to fund the other sports that are so critical to an overall fair and equal campus.
One other thing to consider, Duquesne's program was started not all that long ago- early 90's- by Gus DeAugustino (legendary North Allegheny HS coach). Their alumni base isn't in their 60's and 70's where they are donating significantly amounts. However, does that mean there wasn't more that could have been done?
Excellent points Martin. I think the AD's are as much or more at fault. If a coach doesn't produce then fire him and get one of the hungry assistants in there. They hold revenue and high profile sports to a higher standard than many Olympic sports. Of course my passion lies with marketing. I truly believe that marketing will save our sport- more fans, more attendance, more media coverage, stronger donor base. How can an administration cut a program that has support? Duquesne was never going to win an NCAA title. Hartupee was underfunded and understaffed and had minimal/no admissions support. Would a quality marketing effort have resulted in different circumstances? Yes. At least a different sport would have been cut instead of wrestling... lesser of two evils.