NCAA P4P Rankings

David Macauley 2 months ago The war of attrition continues, like the novel (and film) "Ten Little Indians" ("And then there were none") by Agatha Christie. By my count, there are now 11 undefeated guys left. None at 157, 174 or 285. There are two each at 133, 141, 184 and 197. I predict that by the end of the year the only weights with undefeated NCAA champions will be 133, 141, 149, 184 and 197. Hmm, does that mean Mr. Dake will be avenged by Mr. Taylor if the refs force them to wrestle and make the appropriate stall warnings? Perhaps so.-very good forsight!

Maybe next year I would consider him top 15 but not this one because he barely squeeked by the 157 weight class this year which lacked considerable depth and was the weekest in my opionon. He is a clear talent but will not a favorite to repeat with Dieringer improving and almost knocking him out this year.

Who said you had to be "really dominant" to be on the list?First of all DSJ is the lowest ranked national champion. Regardless, he's still a prolific talent even though he doesn't separate like other guys. which is why he's behind 3 guys who didn't win titles. You really don't think DSJ is one of the top 15 P4P wrestlers in D1? I'd be interested to see who you'd put ahead of him.

St. John is not really dominant why is he on the list?

The reason I have Delgado lower is because I feel that he is just a very bad style match up for McD. I don't feel that he was as dominant over the competition (at least that I didnt already ranked higher) as Kilgore, Maple, and Nelson.

I like your rankings, except for where you put Delgado. Do not forget that last year as a true freshman, he beat the unbeatable McDonough of previous years you were referring to.

right on no dam Hawkeyes belong in here

I would say1. Dake (don't know how you could put anyone above him)2. Ruth (most dominant for sure, but I don't think he is quite as clutch as Dake)3. Taylor (Taylor shouldn't drop because of a close loss to one of the top 5 american wrestlers in its history)4. Oliver (Maybe the most fun to watch, but I don't think he is as tough to beat as the other 3)5. Stieber (May be the best in a few years, but right now this is where I think he belongs)6. Wright (Clutch is the only word to describe him, beat one of the best upperweights we've seen in the past several years in the finals convincingly)7. Kilgore (Loss to Wright doesn't change the accomplishments of this guy)8. Maple (Dominated this year, wish he could wrestled Stieber in the finals but that isn't his fault)9. Nelson (2 timer who has won a tough hwt bracket both years)10. Delgado (very competitive bracket this year, but I don't think he beat anyone this year that warrants him being any higher. The McDonough we saw this year wasn't the guy he was the other 3.)I feel that Perry and H. Stieber are a cut above the others that would be considered so if I were doing a top 10 these would be my HM's.

Willie, time to update your list. Dake and Ruth are unassailable at the top. Does DT fall? Maybe. But I don't think Logan passes him. LS could win 4 NCs but he is not better than DT - not yet, anyway. I think you could make the case for JO to take 3rd place. Great career. Should have been 3x NC??? My top 5 is 1-KD, 2-ER, 3-JO, 4-DT, 5-LS. NOW the list gets interesting! I have QW at 6th. 4 time AA, 2x NC, 3x finalist and the most exciting wrestler to watch above 184. He'll launch anybody anytime. My 7th goes to JD. What a run to the 125 NC! Unstoppable over the last month. His confidence has to be sky-high. My 8th is TN. Not as exciting as QW but he rode out a pleasantly tough HWT field. My 9th is Ramos. Yes - Ramos over Maple. KM is slick and props for the undefeated season and NC. But Like DT, TR lost to only one person and it was controversial. TR was otherwise as dominant as anybody throughout the year. KM rounds out my PFP Top 10. Honorable mentions are Kilgore, Perry, DSJ, Hunter & Waters. What say you?

Ramos didnt look dominant in his run up to the finals almost losing to Graff and then handled by Stieber for the secong time in two weeks Q should be ahead (beat Kilgore for gods sake) of him and maple won a title without breaking a sweat

We've been warned...

Look out!!!! Michigan will win the National Title in 3 years. With Messa , Coon, and Whitford leading the way as National champs.

put Ben Bennet in maybe

St.John is still on here

But Bradley beat Nelson....And I think Oliver 4 Stieber 5, but thats a bit more controversial.

Greff isn't trolling. trolling implies knowing better. he's seriously that blind/spiteful.

Lots of people are passing McD this week. Quite a few passing Dom as well.

So should Wright. As mentioned before, he has a very similar resume to McD and a stronger (college at least) resume that Dom, yet he hasn't lost a regular season match. McD has now lost to 2 wrestlers that can't match Q's resume and Dom is no longer undefeated with no national title. I think Maple and Q passing them is a no brainer, but if you go by how the are wrestling right now I would say H. Stieber should also go above.

He's passing McD and Dom this week.

You just described Kyle Dake, Ed Ruth, Logan Stieber, Jordan Oliver, Dustin Kilgore and Tony Ramos. Going to have to go deeper than that for a guy who was 4th last year.when did Ramos whoop Stieber ill answer never (and never will) the three people Maple finished behind last year were all studs and Marion barely got by him. So yes Maple is to low on here!I'd love for you to attempt to make a legitimate argument for Maple to be in the top 4. Use facts, not opinions.WHEN DID I SAY HE BELONGS IN THE TOP 4? I SAID HE IS TOO LOW

I'd love for you to attempt to make a legitimate argument for Maple to be in the top 4. Use facts, not opinions.

You just described Kyle Dake, Ed Ruth, Logan Stieber, Jordan Oliver, Dustin Kilgore and Tony Ramos. Going to have to go deeper than that for a guy who was 4th last year.when did Ramos whoop Stieber ill answer never (and never will) the three people Maple finished behind last year were all studs and Marion barely got by him. So yes Maple is to low on here!

You just described Kyle Dake, Ed Ruth, Logan Stieber, Jordan Oliver, Dustin Kilgore and Tony Ramos. Going to have to go deeper than that for a guy who was 4th last year.

The war of attrition continues, like the novel (and film) "Ten Little Indians" ("And then there were none") by Agatha Christie. By my count, there are now 11 undefeated guys left. None at 157, 174 or 285. There are two each at 133, 141, 184 and 197. I predict that by the end of the year the only weights with undefeated NCAA champions will be 133, 141, 149, 184 and 197. Hmm, does that mean Mr. Dake will be avenged by Mr. Taylor if the refs force them to wrestle and make the appropriate stall warnings? Perhaps so.

Top 7x look good. I say Maple at 8, Wright 9, and Nelson or Waters at 10.

I wasn't sure I liked the expansion to 15x, now I know why....opened up a new set of problems now that multiple guys lost. Good experiment....go back to 10x next week.

please remove the two Iowa wrestlers that lost and everything will be just fine

Brace yourselves... Greff is coming

Its simple he whoops everyone that steps on the mat with him!! He is in total control of every match!!!

Make a case then.

Kendric Maple Should be higher on the P4P rankings!!!! He should be in the top #4!!!

New rankings by NCAA announced (as of Feb. 20, 2013). I figure it might be relevant to discussions here.DI: TOP 10 MOST DOMINANT LEADERSRANK AVERAGE POINTS NAME SCHOOL WT. CLASS1 5.5882 Logan Stieber Ohio State 1332 5.1143 Dustin Kilgore Kent State 1973 5 Kyle Dake Cornell 1654 4.9167 Edward Ruth Penn State 1845 4.8696 David Taylor Penn State 165T6 4.6667 Jordan Oliver Oklahoma State 149T6 4.6667 Tony Ramos Iowa 1338 4.6522 Ben Bennett Central Michigan 197T9 4.4783 Kendric Maple Oklahoma 141T9 4.4783 Quentin Wright Penn State 174 DI: TOP 10 FALL LEADERSRANK FALLS TIME NAME SCHOOL Wt. class1 17 43.23 Dustin Kilgore Kent State 1972 16 39:47 Kyle Dake Cornell 1653 13 40:10 Aaron (A.J.) Schopp Edinboro 1334 11 36:18 Andrew Delaney The Citadel 2855 10 17:36 Harrison Hightower Ohio 1656 10 22:49 Logan Stieber Ohio State 1337 10 24:50 Edward Ruth Penn State 1848 10 29:28 Zac Thomusseit Pittsburgh 2859 10 35:09 David Taylor Penn State 16510 9 22:23 Nikko Triggas Ohio State 125DI: TOP 10 TECH FALL LEADERSRANK TECH FALLS TIME NAME SCHOOL WT. CLASS1 8 49:50 David Taylor Penn State 1652 8 51:27 Ben Bennett Central Michigan 1843 7 45:43 Nahshon Garrett Cornell 1254 6 31:35 Peter Yates Virginia Tech 1655 6 37:12 Taylor Massa Michigan 1656 6 39:14 Frank Hickman Bloomsburg 1577 6 39:37 Tyler Graff Wisconsin 1338 6 39:40 Casey Newburg Kent State 1849 5 24:43 Nicholas Sulzer Virginia 16510 5 26:48 Logan Stieber Ohio State 133

still believe Welch will make the finals as long as he's opposite St. John, no disrespect to any in this loaded weight...Welch just seems to have a 5th gear at NCAA'smaybe

still believe Welch will make the finals as long as he's opposite St. John, no disrespect to any in this loaded weight...Welch just seems to have a 5th gear at NCAA's

ST. JOHN IS THE BEST EYE- POKER IN WRESTLING ASK DAKE OR ANYONE HE HAS WRESTLED LATELY

i think top 15 is more sufficient for all the talent out there... Great job Flo!

all yall stupid and are ruining wretsling....the only reason wretsling is still alive is cause iowa....they deserve all the respect

Hes not running his mouth... hes right buddy

DONT RUN YOUR MOUTH SON

You are, invariably, the biggest dope every time I read these comments. So, Derek St. John, undefeated returning NCAA finalist and current #1 ranked wrestler is undeserving. Quality trolling, junior.

Love the hate for Iowa. How anyone could say to leave Tony Ramos off this list is crazy. Derek St John is incredibly tough and hasn't lost yet with some really dominate wins. And McD is McD. 3 time finalist, 2 time champ, to leave him off the list after one loss to someone who is an incredibly bad match up for him would be a crime, while i could see him falling a little more then he did.

Couldn't put a Penn State wrestler in (well deserved) without an Iowa guy to level it out. St. john is the weakest #1 ranked wrestler in D1 and way to defensive and should have lost to Demas (unranked at the time) for a second time last month. He will most likely not win a title this year as the refs are starting to notice his dirty wrestling style more and more. McDounough is still too high on here... thank you

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I'm suprised that CMU's Ben Bennet isn't getting any love on this list. He has been the definition of dominante this season!

I agree with keeping McD #1 at 125 but I have a hard time understanding how he is still on this list. That defeat to Delgado wasn't close and Jesse has 3 losses. Furthermore, McD wasn't exactly tearing things up in regard to bonus wins prior to this loss. Wright has put together a really strong season and has a great career resume, especially considering that his 6th place finish was as a true freshman at 174.everyone thinks this but him kinda makes you wonder

Ok Christian, I am finally on board with Ramos on this list. Schopp was the type of wrestler that use to give him problems and he took him apart.

I agree with keeping McD #1 at 125 but I have a hard time understanding how he is still on this list. That defeat to Delgado wasn't close and Jesse has 3 losses. Furthermore, McD wasn't exactly tearing things up in regard to bonus wins prior to this loss. Wright has put together a really strong season and has a great career resume, especially considering that his 6th place finish was as a true freshman at 174.

McD’s body seems to be performing quiet well at 125 seeing he is a 3x national finalist, not to mention he did wrestle at a lower weight for the Olympic trials and was one of the smallest in the group.. got any answers for that one Gruffy? The NCAA does a terrific job of determining weight eligibilities and everyone knows this so stop being a hater.. no one cares where you think people should wrestle at..

So I guess you believe Q's first 3 years he was "sucking down for an advantage" since he's now at 197?What about Ruth who wrestled his redshirt season at 184?Of course I don't believe that about those guys. But by your criteria I suppose you do.All wrestlers have to complete a hydration test that determines their lowest possible weight. You have absolutely no idea what wrestlers are cutting the most weight since you(like me) are completely ignorant about that information. It's baseless hearsay on your part and tearing down other wrestlers(especially one as great as McDonough) is pretty low.replystop comparing fruit everyone knows Matt is not a 125 pounder because he has always looked sucked out much like his teammate Evans

So I guess you believe Q's first 3 years he was "sucking down for an advantage" since he's now at 197?What about Ruth who wrestled his redshirt season at 184?Of course I don't believe that about those guys. But by your criteria I suppose you do.All wrestlers have to complete a hydration test that determines their lowest possible weight. You have absolutely no idea what wrestlers are cutting the most weight since you(like me) are completely ignorant about that information. It's baseless hearsay on your part and tearing down other wrestlers(especially one as great as McDonough) is pretty low.