NCAA 141lb Rankings

Willie Saylor on October 16, 2012, 6:00am | More Posts

Rank	Year	Name	School	Last
4	FR	Ugi Khishgnyam	Citadel	6
8	JR	Mike Nevinger	Cornell	11
17	SR	Frank Cimato	Drexel	17
2	SO	Mitchell Port	Edinboro	3
10	SO	Richard Durso	F & M	15
14	SR	Steven Keith	Harvard	13
16	SO	Luke Vaith	Hofstra	14
11	SR	Mark Ballweg	Iowa	7
18	SO	Anthony Salupo	Lehigh	18
6	SO	Nick Dardanes	Minnesota	8
5	SO	Evan Henderson	North Carolina	5
12	JR	Joey Lazor	Northern Iowa	10
3	SO	Hunter Stieber	Ohio State	2
1	JR	Kendric Maple	Oklahoma	1
15	FR	Chris Mecate	Old Dominion	16
7	SR	Michael Mangrum	Oregon State	4
13	SO	CJ Cobb	Penn	12
20	SO	Brandon Nelsen	Purdue	20
9	JR	Zach Neibert	Virginia Tech	9
19	JR	Nathan Pennesi	West Virginia	19

Christian Pyles, College Analyst

An apology for getting these out late. I wrapped up my end of season awards before I did these, and my wife and I had our 2^nd little child 8 days ahead of schedule which threw the timing for these off.

These rankings will be different from a lot of others in that we are not simply going to regurgitate the NCAA placements as rankings. Rather, we are going to rank still considering guys entire bodies of work from the season as opposed to presenting the final 3 days in March as The Gospel as it pertains to rankings.

So basically the rankings are still considering the wrestlers entire body of work. You’ll notice that there is heavy pull from the NCAA results, but they are not the end all be all for these. These will also serve nicely as a “preview” for next years rankings.

If you think that the final rankings should be the exact NCAA placements, that’s fine and anybody can look those up at anytime. These won’t be that though.

I will say our Pre-NCAA rankings fared quite well against the NCAA seeds placing 62 of 80 All Americans compared to the seeds 59. That success gave me some faith that the system we’ve been ranking with is fairly effective and accurate.

I know I normally give the reasoning behind most of the ranking changes, but with so much movement, it would be an insanely long read (even by my standards). As always I’m more than happy to answer any questions/complaints you might have.

Email/Tweet your questions, comments, complaints to Christian.pyles@flowrestling.org

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Updated on May 21, 2013, 1:27pm

65 comments

Edward McNamara 2 months ago

Maple beat Futrell twice...in the All-Star and at the Midlands. Like Yogi said, you could look it up.

I'm a bit baffled by your "if a guy is undefeated in the Big 10 he should be No 1" How so? and by what measure/metric? The Big 10 is a great conference...but c'mon....seriously? You're only good/great if you compete in the Big 10?
The toip 30 is compiled by Gregg Henry...who I and many others consider to be the best at it.

IowaGuy 2 months ago

You didn't make a great case. First, Futrell had 1 loss this year so I'm not sure how Maple could have beaten him twice. Since you mentioned Mangrum, you must be figuring in previous years again. I'm sympathetic to the idea that you can't beat guys you don't face and you can't score against guys who stall. But guys stall against all the top wrestlers. And in general, if a B1G wrestler is undefeated he should be #1. Being seeded/ranked #2 isn't a penalty. Giving the guy who faced top competition week after week the #1 seed is a reward. And top 30? Who compiles that list? Besides, I'm not impressed by facing good wrestlers. Facing guys who are actually capable of beating them is more impressive.

Edward McNamara 2 months ago

I'm guessing you're looking at 8MM tape..or listening to an 8 track.

The best guy Maple beat...twice handily...was then No. 3 ranked B.J. Futrell. Maple beat Port and Neibert is not really a top ten guy. Maple pinned Mangrum last year...and you can't wrestle guys who are not on your schedule.
I'll add that Maple beat 11 guys in the top 30 whereas Stieber beat 8 from that group.
As regards Vaith - I was at tthat match in Albany....you can't score big on a guy stalling the whole match.

IowaGuy 2 months ago

Let's go to the videotape.....
The top ranked guy that Maple beat is Lazor from UNI. The score was 6-3 against the 10th ranked guy.
Who has Stieber beaten in the top 10? Port, Mangrum, Ballweg, Dardanes, and Neibert. I'd say that is better competition than Maple has faced.

Maple almost got beat by Tsirtsis, not that there's any shame in that. And why didn't you mention the Vaith comparison? Maple beat him 4-0. Stieber majored him 17-7.

Christian Pyles 2 months ago

Seriously? Faced and beat better competion? Was more dominant? You'd better go to the videotape. Maple beat more and higher ranked wrestlers than Stieber. As per common opponents,Stieber beat Nevinger 6-4..Maple beat Nevinger 13-1. Steiber beat Hucke 8-4..Maple beat Hucke 23-8. Maple No 1 RPI and No 1 in
the coaches poll.

Are you kidding?

You don't have to convince me considering I have Maple 8th in my pound for pound(ahead of Hunter) and have ranked him 1st all year.

I'm just saying what the NCAA might have been thinking. I don't think it's as egregious you think it is.

Edward McNamara 2 months ago

There is a ranking element we(and many ranking services) use that the NCAA cannot use and that is previous years NCAA finishes.

It's the primary reason Maple began the year at 1, he hasn't lost, so there's no real reason to take it away.
The seeding people apparently deemed that Stieber faced and beat better competition and/or was more dominant along the way.
I'm not sure I necessarily disagree with them.

Seriously? Faced and beat better competion? Was more dominant? You'd better go to the videotape. Maple beat more and higher ranked wrestlers than Stieber. As per common opponents,Stieber beat Nevinger 6-4..Maple beat Nevinger 13-1. Steiber beat Hucke 8-4..Maple beat Hucke 23-8. Maple No 1 RPI and No 1 in
the coaches poll.

Are you kidding?

Christian Pyles 2 months ago

Quite amusing (sad really) that Kendric Maple has been number 1 in every poll.....and in every measure (RPI) and he gets the 2 seed? What a joke and ripoff....there is no justification for this.

There is a ranking element we(and many ranking services) use that the NCAA cannot use and that is previous years NCAA finishes.

It's the primary reason Maple began the year at 1, he hasn't lost, so there's no real reason to take it away.
The seeding people apparently deemed that Stieber faced and beat better competition and/or was more dominant along the way.
I'm not sure I necessarily disagree with them.

Edward McNamara 2 months ago

Quite amusing (sad really) that Kendric Maple has been number 1 in every poll.....and in every measure (RPI) and he gets the 2 seed? What a joke and ripoff....there is no justification for this.

Christian Pyles 3 months ago

BJ Futrell isn't wrestling anymore correct?

Didn't realize it was for sure, but just saw. I'll update here shortly.

Thanks.

William Solis 3 months ago

BJ Futrell isn't wrestling anymore correct?

Christian Pyles 4 months ago

Julian Fiekert out of OSU, I think he deserves recognition for pinning, Dardanes #11 (though probably not a repeat event nonethelless) and taking down the #4 Mike Nevinger in a match twice. #20 spot!? if not maybe these rankings could tack on 3 people as dark horses that have no ranking like for example the p4p list:

20.Kendrick Maple.
NR. Bosak
NR. Wright
NR. Caldwell

He would have more recognition if his pin was not followed up by an 8-3 loss to Dardanes.

I really don't care if he took Nevinger down 10 times. If he lost, he lost.
He's 15-9 with 1 win over a top 20 opponent. Losses to Joshua Myers, Stephen Rodrigues, Chris Mecate and Conor Hanafee.
I rank 20 guys. I think that's already a lot to rank considering our sport only places the top 8.

Cowboy UP 4 months ago

Julian Fiekert out of OSU, I think he deserves recognition for pinning, Dardanes #11 (though probably not a repeat event nonethelless) and taking down the #4 Mike Nevinger in a match twice. #20 spot!? if not maybe these rankings could tack on 3 people as dark horses that have no ranking like for example the p4p list:

20.Kendrick Maple.
NR. Bosak
NR. Wright
NR. Caldwell

Cowboy UP 4 months ago

Christian Pyles 4 months ago

What the thought behind entering Climato at #!9 ahead of Goettl who just beat him 8-7 and also beat Melde by Fall. Only lose this weekend was to Cobb who is at #12

Goettl is 8-7. He lost to Brock Couto. 1 win over a ranked wrestler(who actually hasn't been ranked until this week)

Cimato is 17-5 with wins over Evan Henderson and Luke Vaith.
You can nitpick 18-25 guys all day if you want. All these guys have pretty flawed resumes. Arguments can be made for many different guys. I stand by my choice though.

Cyclone fan 4 months ago

What the thought behind entering Climato at #!9 ahead of Goettl who just beat him 8-7 and also beat Melde by Fall. Only lose this weekend was to Cobb who is at #12

Christian Pyles 4 months ago

Did not Nevinger just beat dardanes?

Rankings updated every Tuesday.

Josh Deiner 4 months ago

Did not Nevinger just beat dardanes?

Christian Pyles 5 months ago

What about Michael Mangrum beating Mitchell Port and finishing ahead of Evan Henderson at Midlands? Maybe you haven't updated that yet?

Port stays ahead of Henderson, who he beat twice. Ugi stays behind Henderson, who he lost to, but ahead of Mangrum who he beat. Mangrum lost to Camryn Jackson this year. That's what keeps him back.

blackbug 5 months ago

What about Michael Mangrum beating Mitchell Port and finishing ahead of Evan Henderson at Midlands? Maybe you haven't updated that yet?

Christian Pyles 5 months ago

Wow. Tsirtsis majored Vaith, and had a barn burner with, and narrowly losing to Maple 7-5? This kid is gonna own this weight class in the next few years, if not next year. I'm calling it now....

I'll be sure to give you credit for your anonymous declarations.

Anonymous Coward 5 months ago

Wow. Tsirtsis majored Vaith, and had a barn burner with, and narrowly losing to Maple 7-5? This kid is gonna own this weight class in the next few years, if not next year. I'm calling it now....

Christian Pyles 5 months ago

Flo, you have Ugi listed as a freshman, but Intermat has him as a junior. ???

Ugi is a RS Fr.

Richard 5 months ago

Flo, you have Ugi listed as a freshman, but Intermat has him as a junior. ???

Steve Petonak 5 months ago

I never thought the ranking of Trevor Melde would be the most discussed ranking week to week. Not sure I understand..

it shouldnt be but that really isnt the point, do you agree on not.

Anonymous Coward 5 months ago

I love PSU but there is no way Pearsall could be a surprise finalist. He is actually one of my favorite Lions to watch since he has a lot of heart and can grind people out with his length from the top position. Overall he could win a couple matches at NCAAs IF he can get through the Big Ten.

Christian Pyles 5 months ago

I never thought the ranking of Trevor Melde would be the most discussed ranking week to week. Not sure I understand..

Steve Petonak 5 months ago

melde is ranked appropriately, coming off an injury that kept him out for a bit, but having him 5 spots below bonaldi, a kid he beat, well thats a head scratcher. head to heads have to carry some weight here

Anonymous Coward 5 months ago

And Melde just lost to an unranked wrestler (Kevin Moylan) from Princeton. So keep him off. These Rutgers wrestlers are very streaky. Good wins followed by head scratchers....